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| Chat Log: Summer Solstice |
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artemis1823: Entered room.
Shadow: so, what do people do for summer holidays?
Shadow: hello
Star: Eh, join the club. ;)
Star: Hello!
empire10001: Hi, Artemis!
artemis1823: Hi people
Celeste621: hey artemis :)
KATNIPP59: Entered room.
Shadow: hello!
empire10001: Nothing special, here ... it's flying and gardening season, which is special enough for me!
Celeste621: hi katnipp
KATNIPP59: Hi everyone
empire10001: Hi, Katnipp!
Shadow: I'm debating doing something .. but I've no idea what, given that I don't follow the Wheel of the Year
artemis1823: hi katnipp
Celeste621: Same here, Shadow
KATNIPP59: Hi!
Star: Me, I'll be mourning the days starting to get shorter again. :(
KATNIPP59: Lol Star me too
Shadow: though I'm contemplating celebrating the solstices, and Halloween/Beltaine, and not the other four
empire10001: I don't either ,,, though I do note the solstices and equinoxes, just on a personal level. -- ME, TOO! I hate getting up in the dark!
Shadow: heh .. I hate having it still be light when I'm trying to go to bed!
empire10001: Well, yeah ... how about we do away with Daylight Savings Time?
Star: HA!
Star: We already HAVE done away with it!
Shadow: mmm. that sounds nice
Star: In Indiana, Arizona, and Hawaii, anyway.
Shadow: only then I'd probably wake up at something like four AM
empire10001: Where are you? Delaware still has it!
Star: I'm in Indiana. :)
Shadow: I'm in Insanity ....
Shadow: :D
Star: Well, yes, that too
KATNIPP59: It's only part of In isn't it?
artemis1823: im in new hampshire and its nice
artemis1823: night around 7
Star: Most of the state, actually. I think there's a little bit down south that does DST, but most of the state doesn't.
Shadow: silly non-conformists!
KATNIPP59: It messes me up in the spring for some reason
Shadow: join us, you know you want to!
Shadow: be like the rest of us!
Star: Nooooo!
empire10001: It's still light here -- and would be lighter, if it weren't for the rain.
KATNIPP59: I don't have as much trouble dealing in the fall
Star: 7pm and will still be light for an hour or so here.
Shadow: silly rain!
empire10001: Moving forward loses an hour of sleep, which stinks ... at least in the fall, I get to sleep in an extra hour!
KATNIPP59: Ya I think TN is about to float away
empire10001: DE has a high water table to start with ... these days I'm afraid to fall down, or I'd drown! {G}
Shadow: .ACTION sleeps an extra hour now.
Shadow: TOPIC! ;) Summer celebrations?
Shadow: does anyone celebrate anything but drowning?
empire10001: Gardening! Finding tomato blossoms is good. :)
Star: Um... No?
Star: There's the 4th of July I guess. And Memorial Day. But nothing in June for me except Father's Day.
Shadow: my peas are running amok, they LOVE this weather!
empire10001: Well, our flying club picnic is right around the Solstice, and that's a great thing! It's Sunday, matter of fact.
Celeste621: I'm a bit confuzzled about solstice. I'd like to observe it a bit like the ancient semetic religions did, since the diety I'm working with is from this area, but I'm not familiar with the seasons of the mideast.
Shadow: mmm .. do you even know if they DID celebrate the Solstice?
Celeste621: Yes, it was a time of mourning for those who followed god/goddess pairs like Ishtar, Tammuz
Shadow: not everyone did, after all ..
Celeste621: Sounds more like fall to me, but I'm assuming the seasons might have significan't differences there, dunno
Shadow: well, I believe spring and fall were the growing seasons ..
Shadow: what mattered was the flooding of the rivers, not the sun
Shadow: so if the summer is hot and dry, and *deadly* .....
Star: Then wouldn't a time of mourning make sense?
Celeste621: Yes, it sounds like summer there would be the appropriate time for such a holiday
Shadow: especially the *beginning* of summer .. the beginning of the dry season
Shadow: .ACTION contemplates a dry season ......
Celeste621: Since things are a bit different here though, do you think it would be disrespectful to make it more approrpiate to this climate?
Shadow: heh .. depends on the God? ;)
Celeste621: I suppose
Star: Depends on the God and how closely you want to reconstruct the religion, I suppose.
Shadow: I think it might be disrespectful NOT to, if it's supposed to be centering around the *lean* times ....
Celeste621: Hm, I'll have to take your points into consideration, thanks.
Celeste621: Something to ponder.
Shadow: sure! advice-o-matic! :)
Shadow: use at own risk
Shadow: tm
Celeste621: :)
KATNIPP59: I think the dieties have a lot more common sense than most people give them credit for
Celeste621: lol I'm sure they do.
Tristan2006: Entered room.
artemis1823: agreed there
Shadow: I'd HOPE they do .. I'd hate to think Gods were less intellegent than humans!
empire10001: Me, I think it makes more sense to have seasonal celebrations in accordance with the local seasons. The Gods are ... er, ne'mind, Katnipp beat me to it.
KATNIPP59: Hi Tristan
Shadow: Tristan!
artemis1823: allo
Tristan2006: hey
empire10001: Heya, Tristan!
Celeste621: It's certainly much easier to appreciate the celebration and observances if you can see the changes with your own eyes, agreed.
Celeste621: Hi, Tristan. :)
Shadow: I think that's part of why the *summer* seasonal celebrations are so hard to connect to, now-a-days .. if we're not gardening, there's not the sense of *change*
Celeste621: Hm, might be
Shadow: even if we ARE gardening, the Solstice itself doesn't change anything .. plants are in, and we've a long way to go before there's a harvest!
empire10001: 'Deed it is! I'd feel silly celebrating Northern Hemisphere seasonal celebrations in the Southern Hemisphere , for instance.
Shadow: some people do, though. I must say, I don't understand how that works and doesn't feel quite silly
Tristan2006: so, what'd I miss so far...I would have to say I haven't celebrated any solstice holidays.
Shadow: thanks be to the harvest and Santa on a surfboard? ;)
empire10001: True, Shadow ... it's more of an astronomical change than anything else.
empire10001: LOL!
Celeste621: Not much, just some chitchat on observing seasonal holidays where the climate is different.
KATNIPP59: brb got to see hubby off to work
Shadow: kay
Tristan2006: hold on, lemme go check and see what greek holidays are coming up
Shadow: does anyone have ANY summer holidays?
Celeste621: oooh, that would be interesting
Shadow: do we all just sit around and eat all summer?
Shadow: oh, wait, that's me. *g*
Star: Well, I work, too.
Celeste621: lol
Shadow: oh you workers.
empire10001: ROFL! No, I celebrate summer in various ways, just not on any specific days.
Shadow: although I must say, I've been writing more and happier since the sun has come back and it's been warmer
empire10001: First Tomato of the Year is my personal biggie, I suppose. YUM!
Shadow: heh .. first flowers, first fruits, are both big ones for me
Star: Ooooh, that's a good one. And also strawberries. I don't have the time or energy for a garden, but Mom grows both of those things.
Celeste621: Yum
Shadow: I swear I practically do a jig in the yard when I first get a flower in the spring!
Star: And is always happy to share with her favourite (only) daughter.
empire10001: Yes! I start with First Crocus and go from there.
Shadow: and the first flower on a food plant. that's a biggy too
empire10001: Yup. I've got buds on my Siberia tomato plant ... should open Any Day Now!
empire10001: Basically, I suppose you could say that Spring and Summer (some Autumn thrown in as well) are a long, low-key celebration for me.
Tristan2006: okay, I know that Panathanaia is celebrated next month
Shadow: which one's that?
Tristan2006: and I know that the Athenic new year is the full or new moon after the summer solstice
Tristan2006: I can't remember, I'm such a bad greek recon
Shadow: heh. bad recon! no books!
Tristan2006: okay, I know that Kronia comes up soon as well
Tristan2006: and it is a festival in honor of freedom
Shadow: whazzat?
Shadow: oh.
Tristan2006: and the Panathenaia is a celebration of Athena's birthday
empire10001: That sounds like one Randall would be likely to celebrate. :)
Shadow: naw .. Randall? Worship Athena? nawwwww
Shadow: *giggle*
Tristan2006: no way
empire10001: ROFLMAO!
Tristan2006: I don't think he's very fond of her
Celeste621: Did the celebration of Kronia come from a specific event like July 4th?
Shadow: just some floofy Goddess chick.
Shadow: .ACTION waits for lightining.
Celeste621: I mean, like the fourth stems from an event for us, not that it came from our independence day :)
Tristan2006: lol
empire10001: .ACTION is glad she's well away from Shadow just in case.
Shadow: *giggle* why do SO many people fear getting hit by lightning from being too near me???
Celeste621: I'm not afraid. *adjusts her rubber boots*
artemis1823: lol
Shadow: :D
Tristan2006: possibly, the history of it is that to honor Kronos all slaves were freed and no bussiness happened. Also the masters would eat with the slaves
Tristan2006: I got my information from http://duttond.topcities.com/Hellenic/html/kronia.html
Celeste621: Ah, thanks.
Tristan2006: it's on the cauldron website, in the greek reconstructionist file under hellenic calendar
Tristan2006: no wait, I mean hellenic polytheist notebook
Tristan2006: the other one is just a calendar with reference to our calendar
Tristan2006: brb, need food
Shadow: go eat!
empire10001: Food is good. :)
Celeste621: Duh, figures I would ask about something that's right there on the site.
Shadow: oh yes. food is WONDERFUL!
Star: Okies, I have to go. Am stuck at the "bad" computer, sitting in a hard, non-ergonomic chair. My back is killing me. If I can PRY Hubby away from his game of Black & White later I'll try to hop back in...
Shadow: good luck!
Star: Thanks!
Star: Laters!
Celeste621: bye
Star: Left room.
Shadow: wow, we're a bunch of non-holiday-y Pagans!
empire10001: On a slight topic slant, do y'all think picnics and such in summer are seasonal celebrations per se, or just taking advantage of good weather -- and if the latter, are they how seasonal special celebrations got started?
Shadow: how can I steal food ideas from y'all if you don't ahve them!
empire10001: Sorry for the long sentence!
Tristan2006: ok, I need to eat upstairs so I'll try and come in later
Shadow: mmm. I can see days where *everyone* would take off being how special celebrations might start
Shadow: 'kay, take care!
empire10001: I make a super deviled egg, if that counts.
Tristan2006: Left room.
Shadow: mmmmm
Celeste621: Hm, I think that picnics *can* be small celebrations of the season, sure.
Shadow: I don't think they're *formal* celebrations, but the desire to be outside is a celebration of sorts
empire10001: I would tend to agree, Shadow, but maybe your comment about "picnics" everyone shared came to take place at an astronomical time? After all, the "Ancients" were pretty durn good astronomers, and Midsummer would be an obvious time.
Shadow: and everyone loves a day off ... ;)
empire10001: Very true!
Shadow: it would probably depend on the region .. that would only make sense when Solstice is a *temperate* event ...
Shadow: makes sense in the North, but not in Greece, for instance!
empire10001: If you want my deviled egg "recipe", BTW, either post on the board or e-mail me to remind me.
Shadow: will do! yay, food
Shadow: come to think of it, I owe someone a recipe of something. Wish I could remember what
empire10001: I don't know ... astronomical events are pretty universal, and fairly obvious "year turnings". So they just make sense for periodic celebrations.
Shadow: mmm .. yes and no. I can see the Solstices a lot easier than the Equinoxes, for instance
artemis1823: Left room.
empire10001: True -- and every culture I'm aware of has MidSummer/MidWinter celebrations. But even the Equinoxes would be easy to spot or interpolate, if more than two seasonal celebrations were wanted.
Shadow: the extremes being more interesting than the midpoints, AND being a little more likely to not be work-days
Shadow: yeah, but no one has *balanced* holidays but Wicca and Wicca-like religions, IIRC
Shadow: EVERYONE else has a bunch in one area, and a lot less in the rest ....
Shadow: Christianity doesn't have a Midsummer, for instance
Shadow: come to think of it, Judaism really doesn't have a Midsummer OR Midwinter, that I can think of
empire10001: Not that I know of, no ... no big celebrations between Easter and All Saints, unless you maybe count Lady Day on 1 May.
empire10001: Hannukkah might be equivalent to MidWinter, sort of ... at least it usually falls around that time.
Shadow: even All Saints is really more Catholic than Christian, isn't it? do non-Catholics celebrate it?
Celeste621: I never did as a protestant
Shadow: yes, but Hannukkah is actually a fairly new holiday for having that level of prominence .. it's to counter the BIIIIG Christmas celebrations
Shadow: I didn't think so, but how would I know? ;)
Celeste621: We celebrated the secular Halloween, All Saints was seen as a "Catholic holiday"
empire10001: Well, when I was a kid, my Presbyterian Church had something ... could've been a variaton on Halloween, though.
Shadow: Hannukkah was MINOR until very recently. the New Year is in the .. Fall?
empire10001: Dunno ... I'm not that familiar with the Jewish calendar. My bad!
Celeste621: Really, I wasn't aware of that. Then again, I'm woefully ignorant about Jewish religon.
Shadow: me neither, which is odd, given my family
Shadow: my uncle's a Rabbi .. I SHOULD know a little ... ;)
Celeste621: lol
Shadow: and yet, I don't ......
empire10001: So ask him, and enlighten the rest of us! :)
Shadow: I BELIEVE their new year is in the fall, and if not, it's in the spring. it's NOT in the winter!
Shadow: heh .. I wouldn't know where to find him!
empire10001: Ah ... okay. Darn it!
Shadow: sowwy!
empire10001: My personal New Year is Yule, when the days start getting longer again!
Shadow: my personal New Year was the beginning of the school year .. I don't think I've adjusted in the .. five? years since I've graduated!
Shadow: dearest gods, has it been that long?? sheesh
empire10001: (Actually, at this latitude, it should be more like 15 January or thereabouts, but ... )
Shadow: *giggle*
empire10001: Youngster! {G}
Shadow: dat's me! just a little babyShadow!
Shadow: goo?
Shadow: are you my mother?
empire10001: I would be a very bad mommy, li'l girl ... count yourself lucky I'm just an honorary auntie!
Shadow: .ACTION bats BIIIIIG eyes at Ann.
Shadow: *sniffle* no Mommy?
Shadow: where's my Mommy? I'm too little to be out without a Mommy!
Shadow: you's a big meany poopiehead not being my mommy!
Shadow: so there!
empire10001: ::picks up Shadow:: Take it easy, kidlet ... Auntie Ann will take care of you till she gets back. ::sighs quietly::
Shadow: *giggle*
empire10001: So I'm a sucker for infants of any species ... I'd still be a lousy mother.
Celeste621: Alright, I'm off to grab some dinner. Have a good night, everybody. :)
Shadow: heh. s'okay, I'm actually able to mostly care for myself. I think.
Shadow: g'night!
Celeste621: Left room.
Shadow: what's with all these people eating so late???
empire10001: Gee, are we scaring everyone off?
Shadow: wasn't me!
Shadow: musta been that other Shadow
Shadow: she's scary!
empire10001: Or me ... my Scorpio side may've been showing.
Shadow: eeeew .. you might wanna get that cleaned .... ;)
empire10001: Nah ... I like it! Makes me feel like less of a wuss.
KATNIPP59: I'm back :)
Shadow: PEOPLE!
Shadow: .ACTION reels in shock at the thought.
KATNIPP59: uh should I duck?
Shadow: dunno, do you have feathers?
Shadow: can't be a duck without feathers
empire10001: Not just yet ... we aren't throwing thunderbolts or anything. {G}
Shadow: though I am still dodging ... ;)
KATNIPP59: LOL rubber ducks don't have feathers
Shadow: oooh .... good point
empire10001: Where the heck is everyone? Usually this time of night, it's jumping in here!
Shadow: are you rubbery?
Shadow: do you taste like chicken? ;)
Shadow: everyone hid from their lack of holiday celebrations?
Shadow: they all saw me yesterday and are justifyably frightened?
KATNIPP59: I would tell you what first came to mind.....
Shadow: ?????
empire10001: Yeah, could be ... I know I don't have much to contribute to such a discussion, and was hoping for ideas myself.
KATNIPP59: but this is the wrong place for that
Shadow: TEE HEE! Dirty thoughts, dirty thoughts, I made you have dirty thoughts! ;)
Shadow: ditto .. I really don't celebrate any holidays right now, so I've NOTHING useful to add ....
KATNIPP59: LMAO
KATNIPP59: I celebrate yule and samhain