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« Topic Start: January 16, 2011, 06:59:18 pm »

Okay, so I have been practicing my Pagan belief system for almost six years now and have recently come to a bit of a snag. I am formerly been drawn to worship the God and Goddess as just faceless deities, but my spirit urges me to connect with a Goddess I see in my dreams and meditations. I tend to have a rather Celtic flair in my path and so what I am seeing and what I know are conflicting a little bit right now. I see a Cat Goddess, she is VERY much like Bast of the Egyptian pantheon, only it is not her. She holds no Egyptian symbolism or regalia. She looks more Celtic, she holds more celtic symbolism, but she is like an echo of Bast.

I have looked and looked in countless books and websites for information about a Celtic Cat Goddess, but I can't find any. And any small fragments about cats in Celtic Mythology have little to do with what this Goddess represents or says when she comes to me. I don't really know how I feel about mixing pantheons, because I feel that they are like families and mixing Egyptian with Celtic is a bit odd for me. I'm just unsure about how to go about this. Whenever I ask if I am supposed to adopt a more Egyptian path she tells me no, but then when I ask her how to incorporate her into my Celtic Path she is silent and just stares at me like I already know. And perhaps I do, but I am not conscious of it. I am asking for some outside perspective here. It would be greatly appreciated. :-) Thanks!

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« Reply #1: January 17, 2011, 07:27:01 am »

Okay, so I have been practicing my Pagan belief system for almost six years now and have recently come to a bit of a snag.

Welcome to TC, Brian. I changed the subject of this thread to one more likely to get a helpful response.
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« Reply #2: January 17, 2011, 07:45:37 am »

I see a Cat Goddess, she is VERY much like Bast of the Egyptian pantheon, only it is not her. She holds no Egyptian symbolism or regalia. She looks more Celtic, she holds more celtic symbolism, but she is like an echo of Bast.

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and have you thought of the possibility that it is in fact Bast, but that your mind is so Celtic focused, so that the things you interpret look like Celtic?

Just my .02 cent, because it is always an option that things are not what they seem. Wink
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« Reply #3: January 17, 2011, 08:27:22 am »

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and have you thought of the possibility that it is in fact Bast, but that your mind is so Celtic focused, so that the things you interpret look like Celtic?

Just my .02 cent, because it is always an option that things are not what they seem. Wink

I had thought about that, but whenever I try to work with Bast as the Egyptian Goddess in mythology the Cat Goddess I see fades away, but no other Goddess comes forth. I've been doing a lot of research and meditation since I posted this and I think I MAY have figured something out. I thought about how mixing pantheons was seen as "bad" but in reality that cannot be true, because many of the deities we know and worship are modified from their original incarnations due to the intermingling of cultures. So what I think I have to do is find a similar goddess in the Celtic Pantheon to help me relate Bast to a more Celtic path of worship. I know that some people may disagree with this, but I think that is what I am supposed to do. I don't know completely yet, only time will tell.
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« Reply #4: January 17, 2011, 08:27:44 am »

Welcome to TC, Brian. I changed the subject of this thread to one more likely to get a helpful response.

Thank you!
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« Reply #5: January 17, 2011, 08:36:23 am »

Okay, so I have been practicing my Pagan belief system for almost six years now and have recently come to a bit of a snag. I am formerly been drawn to worship the God and Goddess as just faceless deities, but my spirit urges me to connect with a Goddess I see in my dreams and meditations. I tend to have a rather Celtic flair in my path and so what I am seeing and what I know are conflicting a little bit right now. I see a Cat Goddess, she is VERY much like Bast of the Egyptian pantheon, only it is not her. She holds no Egyptian symbolism or regalia. She looks more Celtic, she holds more celtic symbolism, but she is like an echo of Bast.

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Could she be Norse? Freyja rode in a chariot pulled by two cats. Could that be what you're seeing? Just guessing!
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« Reply #6: January 17, 2011, 10:18:41 am »



Deities can appear in dreams however they want.  This could be a Celtic goddess whose sacred animals are cats or this could be Bast or this could be someone else entirely. 

There are many people who worship deities from different pantheons and many do keep the practices separate. 
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« Reply #7: January 17, 2011, 10:29:07 am »


I have a few somewhat scattered thoughts here.

First, as SatAset mentioned, though we may be more familiar with certain imagery or associations for particular deities, they are hardly limited to them. It could be Bast coming to you in a way that is more comfortable for you (ie in Celtic trappings) or it could be a Celtic goddess or someone else entirely.

The Celts are known for their fostering; is it possible that there is something you could learn from this (potentially) non-Celtic cat goddess by working with her for a time?

I don't personally know of any Celtic deities even slightly associated with cats, personally, though my knowledge is more focused on the Irish than any other of the Celtic cultures. I do associate Brighid with house cats, but that is strictly UPG and not held up in any of the extant lore.
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« Reply #8: January 17, 2011, 03:56:03 pm »

I have a few somewhat scattered thoughts here.

First, as SatAset mentioned, though we may be more familiar with certain imagery or associations for particular deities, they are hardly limited to them. It could be Bast coming to you in a way that is more comfortable for you (ie in Celtic trappings) or it could be a Celtic goddess or someone else entirely.

The Celts are known for their fostering; is it possible that there is something you could learn from this (potentially) non-Celtic cat goddess by working with her for a time?

I don't personally know of any Celtic deities even slightly associated with cats, personally, though my knowledge is more focused on the Irish than any other of the Celtic cultures. I do associate Brighid with house cats, but that is strictly UPG and not held up in any of the extant lore.

 I thought about the learning from a non-celtic deity thing as well and that is a very good possibility. But I like your latter ideas more, or rather than like them they feel more right to me. I know that many of the cultures would borrow or "adopt" deities into their culture if they became fond of them. I think that since I work so strongly with Cats and with a Celtic flair that the Divine is trying to get me to incorporate them both.

What really strikes me as interesting is your little comment about Brighid. I have been seeing her occasionally too, and when I compare things that they are both associated with I begin to see multiple connections. So perhaps that is where I must go in this search. I don't exactly know what the answer is yet but thank you everyone for your very valuable input!
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« Reply #9: January 20, 2011, 01:05:04 am »

I do associate Brighid with house cats, but that is strictly UPG and not held up in any of the extant lore.
That's a personal gnosis I would trust, being that she happens to be a patroness of small domestic animals, and even more wild&larger sorts in other regions Wink
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« Reply #10: January 22, 2011, 08:25:32 am »

She looks more Celtic, she holds more celtic symbolism, but she is like an echo of Bast.

I have looked and looked in countless books and websites for information about a Celtic Cat Goddess, but I can't find any. And any small fragments about cats in Celtic Mythology have little to do with what this Goddess represents or says when she comes to me.
Could you be more specific as to which symbolism appears with her and what characteristics she shows towards you?

I've just looked into what the Carr-Gomms write about cats in their 'Druid Oracle' (it's not academic, but sometimes a good starting point), they claim that there's a ton of cat lore and what they wrote is a bit too much to sum up here. There's a lot of stuff that's not connected to specific deities like the cat as totem animal of certain clans, usage of cats in oracles etc.

On the subject of deities they just claim that the cat was 'sacred to the Goddess'. They cite (what they claim to be) a traditional Irish proverb: "It was Brighid's cat that eat the bacon" and claim that in Irish tradition Brighid had a cat as companion.

In Welsh tradition they claim that Ceridwen in her manifestation of the great sow Henwen gave birth to a wolf-cub, an eagle, a bee and a kitten, which grew into the destructive Palug Cat.

I have no idea whether those claims are true and they don't cite sources. But maybe one of them might spark an idea or could be a starting point for further research?
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« Reply #11: January 24, 2011, 09:18:30 pm »

I see a Cat Goddess, she is VERY much like Bast of the Egyptian pantheon, only it is not her. She holds no Egyptian symbolism or regalia. She looks more Celtic, she holds more celtic symbolism, but she is like an echo of Bast.

I'm going to have to second whoever said that it's probably Bast herself, coming at you in a way that you'll be comfortable with.

My husband works with Egyptian Gods. He is dedicated to Bast. She ended up adopting me. I'm not sure how he sees her, but she comes to me rather like a very large black housecat. And by very large, I'm talking labrador retriever size. I don't see any Egyptian trappings on her, despite the fact that we have two Bast statues in the house where she's wearing Egyptian ornamentation.

When in doubt about who a God actually is, I find it most helpful to just ask that God directly. Most of them aren't interested in riddles... if they want you, they'll make their want known pretty directly.

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« Reply #12: April 04, 2011, 02:06:30 pm »


I have looked and looked in countless books and websites for information about a Celtic Cat Goddess, but I can't find any.

as far as i have found or known there is no celtic revrence of cats. they are in no asociation to the devine and neither are they regarded as sacred animals, by which a god or goddess may present themself.
however domestic cats in asociation to the goddess (i suspect Brighid- as a representation of domestic animals) were adopted by many clans as a family totom. this is largly in scotland.
if you have an afinity for cats it could be a guide, presenting itself  in an inviting menifestation?
Or if you have any ansestural ties to celtic nations, it could be an ansestural guide donning the guise of their totom animal.

at best for cats in celtic lands , the normans made window coverings from their intestine...

and any refrence, prior to roman briton, to cats would be in refrence to the larger wild cats of the area
some accounts for the British isle celts ,do asociate Lugh with the Lynx - prehaps a lesser know goddess was also in this animals asociation and is worth exploring ?

Welsh)  Ceridwen, is said to have had her bidding carried out by white cats,

there is cause to be weary , if you feel this is definatly a celtic being, and infact not that of another pantheon, as cats are really never good news by celtic means.

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