Hexes...Who did them?

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[sopostmodernn]

Well, basically, I am considering to put a hex upon this person I know.  She caused me nothing but grief, and she seems to have no remorse.  I see her everyday and she is very interweaved into my social circle, such that I probably will keep seeing her at least until she graduates next year.  I really want to hex her, but I feel that it wouldn't be worth it for the spell to come back to me threefold.

Has anyone here ever deliberately hexed somebody or know anyone that has?

-Alex

[dragonfly_high]

Has anyone here ever deliberately hexed somebody or know anyone that has?

Nope, can't say that I have.  Thought about it, but decided they weren't worth the energy.  I don't believe in the threefold rule, so that's not what's kept me from doing. Just don't think they are worth it.

I will say a friend of mine did put a binding spell on them so they would leave us alone.  And that seems to be working very well.  Maybe you ought to try that instead of a hex?  Just a thought.

[Journey]

Well, basically, I am considering to put a hex upon this person I know.  She caused me nothing but grief, and she seems to have no remorse.  I see her everyday and she is very interweaved into my social circle, such that I probably will keep seeing her at least until she graduates next year.  I really want to hex her, but I feel that it wouldn't be worth it for the spell to come back to me threefold.

Has anyone here ever deliberately hexed somebody or know anyone that has?
-Alex

I used to do that sort of thing, but no more, it always came back to me. The reason, to my way of thinking anyway, is that scientific energy laws apply to magical energy as well.  Since you are trying to send a negative into a negative, it is repelled. Hence, it comes back.

A spell of protection, such as a binding spell, would be a positive engergy spell. Since opposites attract it  would be much more effective.

[Jenett]

Well, basically, I am considering to put a hex upon this person I know.  She caused me nothing but grief, and she seems to have no remorse.  I see her everyday and she is very interweaved into my social circle, such that I probably will keep seeing her at least until she graduates next year.  I really want to hex her, but I feel that it wouldn't be worth it for the spell to come back to me threefold.

My question is "Why is a hex necessary?" There are some magical workings which can be quite effective that help encourage natural tendencies in the person, without hexing, cursing, or otherwise sending negative stuff to them.

One option is to bolster your own shielding and protection, and to convey, through your person and your energetic work, that some stuff simply isn't acceptable to you. We all do a certain amount of this naturally (how much personal space we convey to others, how we carry ourselves, through the kinds of conversation we will and won't have.) You can use personal shielding, aura changes, or other techniques to encourage the same thing on a non-physical level.

(To do this, you need to be *really* clear with yourself about what your boundaries are, what your goals are, and to hold yourself to the same or higher standards than you're wanting from others. For example, if you don't like her behavior because she says nasty stuff behind someone's back, you don't get to do that either.)

There are also magical workings to 'freeze' someone from affecting you, or to 'sweeten' them - the two most common methods I've seen for this are to write their name (and other identifying information) on a piece of paper, then either freeze it (piece of paper in a plastic freezer bag) for the freezing, or bury it in some honey or sugar (for sweetening).

Both of these do touch on manipulating another person (with all the complexities and ethical considerations that brings), but they can also be used as ways of reinforcing what you will and won't be around, if you structure them that way.

[Aisling]

A spell of protection, such as a binding spell, would be a positive engergy spell.

Just have to briefly jump in and disagree with this. A binding spell isn't the necessarily a spell of  protection and a lot of people don't view binding in a positive light. When binding someone, it's generally to stop them from behaving in a specific manner, which is techinically manipulating their behavior and therefore interfering with their free will.  For some folks, this is a big magical no-no and would not be viewed as a positive energy spell.

[Purplewitch]

Just have to briefly jump in and disagree with this. A binding spell isn't the necessarily a spell of  protection and a lot of people don't view binding in a positive light.

That would be my take on it too, although YMMV.

[sopostmodernn]

I'm also curious about how a spell might be reflected.

For example...I basically would like to separate A from B and C, her friends.  My specific goal would be to separate her from those two friends.  Now, for those that believe in the Rule of Three, would the spell come back to me making my situation with B and C worse too, or any of my friends? 

The thing is if that would be the result, the results would be worth it to me because my relationships with the latter two has degraded to such an extent that I wouldn't care if that happened to me, but I know it would devastate A.  Is this how it might play out or are there too many options to really be certain?

[Purplewitch]

My question is "Why is a hex necessary?" There are some magical workings which can be quite effective that help encourage natural tendencies in the person, without hexing, cursing, or otherwise sending negative stuff to them.

That would be my question too. Not because I necessarily have anything against using one if I thought that circumstances warranted it, and it seemed the most appropriate and necessary way to go, and I was willing to accept the consequences.

But I would have to consider long and hard whether it really was the best way to go. Not because I automatically consider it a 'never do' thing (mess with me and mine and I'll do whatever it takes) but because sometimes there are better, and less potentially 'blow back up in your face' ways to deal with things.

F'ex, I've used a binding spell before, but I've not used a hex/curse type spell. However, I seriously considered it for one particular person and set of circumstances and concluded for various reasons that it wasn't the best way to go.

So I started to think of alternatives - thinking outside the box - and finally settled on a reflective type spell for the person suffering from the offending individual so that everything they were throwing his way would be reflected right back to its source. And actually it all turned out better than I could have asked.

So... I'm of the school of thought that you should consider all possible alternatives before you reach for the heavy guns. Sometimes you need them, many times you don't.
Just one witch's opinion

[sopostmodernn]

I never cast a curse either, although I know plenty off hand.  I am of some Romani heritage, and my grandmother told me all the tricks and things that earned our people our reputation of dabblers in divination and black magic.  It's not quite that I couldn't find situations where I was really angry and hurt at a person, but more that I considered them the best weapons in my arsenals that would fire with recoil damage. 

I believe in the Rule of Three; at the least that what I sow so shall I reap.  Thus again, more discouragement.  You know, I never really even cast another spell involving people.  I have only cast spells to help me perform better academically or miscellaneous ones. 

But I am interested in the reflecting spell, is this common?  It sounds perfect :l

[Jenett]

For example...I basically would like to separate A from B and C, her friends.  My specific goal would be to separate her from those two friends.  Now, for those that believe in the Rule of Three, would the spell come back to me making my situation with B and C worse too, or any of my friends? 

Why do you want to separate her from her friends? Because it'd make A miserable, or because you feel they're really a poor influence on your whole social circle? Those are two *really* different magical goals.

As far as bounce-back: depends on your theories of magic, but here are some possible outcomes based on the set I use (which basically says "Everything's connected, and the most effective magic changes *you* and then changes the stuff you interact with as a result.")

1) It might make your situation with B and C worse.

2) It might make B and C disassociate entirely from your social circle. (This may be good, bad, or indifferent.)

3) You may find some or all of your friends finding reasons not to associate with you (because they may pick up subconsciously that either you feel it's okay to meddle, or that you actively want A to be unhappy, whichever is the case.)

4) It may fracture any damaged or strained relationships in your social circle (this might be good in the long term, maybe, but it's likely to be extremely painful, distracting, and messy in the short-term)

5) If you have messed up in any of your relationships, been a poor friend, or have anything else that other people might be having trouble with, all of that may come *very* rapidly home to roost on you. You then get to deal with the consequences.

6) It might do exactly what you want: separate A from B and C.

My personal experience has tended to be along the line of 5 when it comes to affecting other people's behavior that touches on my own: seeing repercussions in all areas of my life, because of the changes in me, where the changes are not predictable or contained. This often leads to the other points, more or less directly.

Again, what's your real issue with A? Are there specific behaviors you no longer want to tolerate? Do you have specific things about B and C that bring them into this? Do you just want to not be around A (or B and C) as much? There are all sorts of other ways to accomplish those goals (magical and non-magical) without going the direction you suggest.

[Oaksworn]

Has anyone here ever deliberately hexed somebody or know anyone that has?

Yes.  Me.  I would strongly caution you to seriously consider whether you really want to follow through with this.  In my case it was necessary.  There were no other options.  I'm sorry I won't go into the details on it, I'm not proud of the situation and it really bothers me who I had to become mentally and emotionally to take that action.

That said, it is often pointed out here that defense is much easier than offense.  With that premise in place, were I in this situation, I would simply ground, center, shield and mirror.  The mirror technique varies in visualization from person to person anywhere from an actual mirror between you and the person causing you problems to a mirrored surface on the outside of your personal shield.  However you visualize it, the purpose is to simply reflect whatever energy your attacker is throwing at you back to them.  It's an effective passive defense.  If they do nothing then no harm comes to them.

Another technique I like to work with is a lightning rod.  Instead of a mirror between myself and the individual throwing energy I'll place a lightning rod to attract and ground out any energy between us.  It's useful in that it's slightly less confrontational than a mirror, i.e. nothing rebounds to them, and if I am guilty of throwing energy back then that will be grounded out as well.  It helps to defuse a situation.


Beyond the various techniques available to you I have to say that there's something bugging me about all this.  It may be simply due to the nature of this medium (text on a screen) and a lack of nuance because of that but I'm not reading anything emotionally charged in your posts.  Now, that could be because you are doing your best to be clear and concise in your questions.  The tone that I am reading from your posts seems to be rather analytical.  I would have expected more anger/hurt/what-have-you to be the driving force behind your investigation into hexing someone.  Please understand, I'm not trying to discount how you feel or what you have experienced.  It's just that, to me, your posts read as if you are looking for permission to take an action that your morality says will have consequences and asking how to avoid those consequences.

If nothing else, the best advice I can offer here is this:  If you wouldn't do it without magic then why would you think it would be ok to do it with magic?

[juniperrr]

Has anyone here ever deliberately hexed somebody or know anyone that has?

-Alex

The only spell I have ever cast on another person was Go Be Happy Someplace Else. My husband's ex is a horribly neurotic woman who every time we saw her in the course of our business (several times a year) she went out of her way to create havoc. My husband just turned a blind eye to it, although he completely ignored her, but she simply would not let go. She enjoyed doing everything she could to make us unhappy and stir up trouble, including lying and spreading rumors. I finally cast a spell that was very positive for her, that she would find something wonderful and what she always wanted FAR AWAY. I worked the spell for 27 days, by the 21st she moved out of state! It was very hard to do, as I had to be very true to wanting something good for this woman I really could not stand. But it worked and we are free of her and there have been no negative reprecussions.

I have never used it, but someplace I wrote down a mirror/reflecting spell that was to make the negative energy sent by a person slam right back at them so as to make them uncomfortable enough that THEY choose to leave or withdraw from the situation, or leave off the maliciousness. I believe I found it in the Goodly Spell Book by the Coven Oldewilde.

I also think bindings are negative spells. Any form of manipulation spell of another I would be very careful about, myself. Personally, in your situation, I would try every other option instead. Go Be Happy left the choice of leaving or not to the subject, it simply help them be aware of something wonderful elsewhere, but it was about as far as I am willing to go on manipulation of another.

I would not cast a hex, personally, unless it was a matter of life and death. It's like I would not kill anyone, but if I or my family were being attacked I would not hesitate to do whatever I could to take the person out with whatever means possible. A hex, for me, is that serious.

[Aisling]

If nothing else, the best advice I can offer here is this:  If you wouldn't do it without magic then why would you think it would be ok to do it with magic?

Oaksworn, I couldn't agree more with what you said, as usual (you, outta my head!). 

Alex-  To answer your question, yes, I've hexed someone.  I've also done my share of binding spells as well.  So I offer the following as someone who's "been there, done that, bought the stinking t-shirt":

I say this with no disrespect intended,  but you're relatively young and it sounds like you might be new to magic work.  Hexing or binding someone is best left for when you're more "magically mature" (for lack of a better term) because there are lots of ramifications involved in that kind of spellwork.  There's not just the possibility of having what you send out returned back to you.  Oaksworn touched lightly on it in his comments about not being proud of hexing someone... whatever you do magically or otherwise, you have to live with the consequences, most of which you'll never see coming until they happen.  Another aspect to consider is that the person who is being hexed may become aware of what you're doing and may retaliate, magically or otherwise. This leaves you not only with the original problem, but an escalation issue as well.

Hexing is essentially black/negative magic and it's important to know where you stand magically and ethically before even considering it.  Even then, it's best left as an absolute last resort, when all other methods have failed, including non-magical means, white/positive magic, and binding (which can be grey at best, but is less negative than hexing someone). 

My best advice for you: Try first to solve the problem in a mature, non-magical way.  If that fails, mirroring spells are fantastic tools that allow you to be protected without your doing harm to the other person.  Failing that, try some stronger protection spells.  Binding is best left for cases when there's verifible, substantial physical or emotional harm being done (someone being disagreeable does not count!).  Hexing is just best left alone. 

[Marilyn (ABSENTMINDED)]

The thing is if that would be the result, the results would be worth it to me because my relationships with the latter two has degraded to such an extent that I wouldn't care if that happened to me, but I know it would devastate A.  Is this how it might play out or are there too many options to really be certain?

I think, if my understanding of the law of returns is correct, and separating A from B and C would devastate A, but separating you from B and C would not devastate you, then that is not likely to be the return.  It is far more likely that you would find yourself with a separation that DID devastate you, say from D and E who are important to you.  I think the devastation involved is what would be returned, not the specific people.

Absent

[Purplewitch]

The thing is if that would be the result, the results would be worth it to me because my relationships with the latter two has degraded to such an extent that I wouldn't care if that happened to me, but I know it would devastate A. 

One thing that struck me too, was that you'd want to be crystal clear as to what your actual intent was in anything you did. Seeking to keep A away from/from interfering with you (and B and C) any more is a somewhat different intention than doing something just to get back at/hex A.

(Sorry, not necessarily the best choice of words, I'm still sick, so nothing personal intended, just pointing out a thought that ocurred to me from what you said, about needing to be clear on intent.)

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