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« Topic Start: May 06, 2007, 10:36:40 am »

hi i'm a beginner in chaos magick and i want to know all i can about it before i start performing anything..basically i havent gotten anywhere farther than learning about peter carroll...i want to learn about anything i need to learn about chaos magick..from beginning..to ending. things to help me in my casting so that it'll work.. online resources please.
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« Reply #1: May 06, 2007, 10:46:05 am »

hi i'm a beginner in chaos magick and i want to know all i can about it before i start performing anything..basically i havent gotten anywhere farther than learning about peter carroll...i want to learn about anything i need to learn about chaos magick..from beginning..to ending. things to help me in my casting so that it'll work.. online resources please.

When you say learn *about* Peter Carroll, do you mean you've read his work, or read about his work?

Book wise, Id recommend Liber Null & Psychonaut if you haven't read it yet.  Phil Hine is more accessible, however.  Somewhat basic, but I still like Condensed Chaos and Prime Chaos.

websites wise:

http://www.chaosmatrix.org/

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/chaos/

http://www.spiralnature.com/magick/chaos/

That said, 'everything' is a pretty big topic with any path.  It may help if you can come up with more specific questions once you've started reading the material. Smiley
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« Reply #2: May 06, 2007, 11:07:14 am »

When you say learn *about* Peter Carroll, do you mean you've read his work, or read about his work?

Book wise, Id recommend Liber Null & Psychonaut if you haven't read it yet.  Phil Hine is more accessible, however.  Somewhat basic, but I still like Condensed Chaos and Prime Chaos.

websites wise:

http://www.chaosmatrix.org/

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/chaos/

http://www.spiralnature.com/magick/chaos/

That said, 'everything' is a pretty big topic with any path.  It may help if you can come up with more specific questions once you've started reading the material. Smiley
thanks a lot for your help but i've been to those sites =[ but i will look again just in case i have missed something..do you have any more resources for me?
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« Reply #3: May 06, 2007, 01:09:49 pm »

thanks a lot for your help but i've been to those sites =[ but i will look again just in case i have missed something..do you have any more resources for me?

I've tended to stick to books personally.  Kraig's 'Modern Magick' is a great primer for ceremonial magick, which helps to understand some of the concepts that Carroll uses.  I recently read a collection of Spare's writings - but while certainly interesting, Spare's method doesn't hold that many similarities with what Chaos magick has become.

To be honest, Chaos magic is something that has to be done.  If you have access to Liber Null, you can try out the MMM syllabus, or experiment with paradigm shifting etc.  After all, it's a practical school of magic, with less emphasis on theory compared with most paths.  (after all, if it isn't objectively true, and there are other theories available...).  Reading up on other magical paths is worth doing, as it gives you experience of seperating out disparate ideas.  (ie: in ceremonial magic, there's always a banishing.  In other paths there is not considered to be a need for banishing.)

It's also worth re-visiting what you've read previously, now and then, to see what new understanding you've gained (and also to get ideas for experimentation).  Try doing stuff and see what happens. Smiley
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« Reply #4: May 06, 2007, 01:23:01 pm »

I've tended to stick to books personally.  Kraig's 'Modern Magick' is a great primer for ceremonial magick, which helps to understand some of the concepts that Carroll uses.  I recently read a collection of Spare's writings - but while certainly interesting, Spare's method doesn't hold that many similarities with what Chaos magick has become.

To be honest, Chaos magic is something that has to be done.  If you have access to Liber Null, you can try out the MMM syllabus, or experiment with paradigm shifting etc.  After all, it's a practical school of magic, with less emphasis on theory compared with most paths.  (after all, if it isn't objectively true, and there are other theories available...).  Reading up on other magical paths is worth doing, as it gives you experience of seperating out disparate ideas.  (ie: in ceremonial magic, there's always a banishing.  In other paths there is not considered to be a need for banishing.)

It's also worth re-visiting what you've read previously, now and then, to see what new understanding you've gained (and also to get ideas for experimentation).  Try doing stuff and see what happens. Smiley
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« Reply #5: May 06, 2007, 07:42:10 pm »

thanks a lot for your help but i've been to those sites =[ but i will look again just in case i have missed something..do you have any more resources for me?

I'm not a chaos mage, but I'm inclined to agree with Everfool. Chaos magic is a "just do it" thing that is best learned by practice once you have the basic theory down.  If you have read (and understood) Liber Null, you are probably set to go.
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« Reply #6: May 07, 2007, 01:33:35 pm »

This is not a reply per-se, just in general:

I don't know anything about Chaos Magick.  I'm a firm believer in Balance, and Natural Law (not governmental law).  What exactly is Chaos Magick, or where would be the best place to read up on it?  I'm always open to new ideas.  I may not agree with them, but I prefer to be well-informed.
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« Reply #7: May 07, 2007, 01:47:59 pm »

This is not a reply per-se, just in general:

I don't know anything about Chaos Magick.  I'm a firm believer in Balance, and Natural Law (not governmental law).  What exactly is Chaos Magick, or where would be the best place to read up on it?  I'm always open to new ideas.  I may not agree with them, but I prefer to be well-informed.

The links I've provided should give you a basic grounding in what it involves.  I also have a link in my signature to an article I wrote as a primer on Chaos Magic.  Hopefully that should provide enough information to help you form further questions. Smiley
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« Reply #8: May 07, 2007, 02:04:22 pm »

What exactly is Chaos Magick, or where would be the best place to read up on it? 

Try the websites Everfool posted.  It may not be worth it for you to invest in the books right at first.  (althought the Modern Magic one is worthwhile anyway).

If the websites interest you, you could check your library for related books.

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« Reply #9: May 07, 2007, 05:10:04 pm »

I don't know anything about Chaos Magick.  I'm a firm believer in Balance, and Natural Law (not governmental law).  What exactly is Chaos Magick, or where would be the best place to read up on it?  I'm always open to new ideas.  I may not agree with them, but I prefer to be well-informed.

You sound like me the first time I ran across the term! I was in a bookshop and the guy behind the till came over (solely because I was a female NOT in the Wicca section, but that's a whole other post) and reccomended Condensed Chaos to me. I didn't buy it then because the word 'chaos' made me think it was a system that would invariably screw up your life. Later I figured since I liked one of his other reccs I would give it a shot and I'm very glad I did! While I'm not a chaos mage myself, chaos magic has certainly given my magicla practice a shot in the arm and opened me to some awesome ideas.

On the book recc note: beside all the excellent resources Everfool listed I would also add Ramsey Dukes as an author to check out. His books aren't really how-tos, they're more like occult philosophy, but he was pretty inspirational to early chaos magicians. And more importantly he's very, very funny.

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« Reply #10: May 07, 2007, 05:30:59 pm »

You sound like me the first time I ran across the term! I was in a bookshop and the guy behind the till came over (solely because I was a female NOT in the Wicca section, but that's a whole other post) and reccomended Condensed Chaos to me. I didn't buy it then because the word 'chaos' made me think it was a system that would invariably screw up your life. Later I figured since I liked one of his other reccs I would give it a shot and I'm very glad I did! While I'm not a chaos mage myself, chaos magic has certainly given my magicla practice a shot in the arm and opened me to some awesome ideas.

On the book recc note: beside all the excellent resources Everfool listed I would also add Ramsey Dukes as an author to check out. His books aren't really how-tos, they're more like occult philosophy, but he was pretty inspirational to early chaos magicians. And more importantly he's very, very funny.

- N

Thanks for the rec!  I am a book fiend so I love just thumbing through them at the book store even if I can't buy them.  And yes, it was the first time I'd actually heard the term Wink
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