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« Topic Start: September 11, 2009, 06:03:57 pm »

If fiber lust is 30,000 years old I am doomed!

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« Reply #1: September 11, 2009, 06:29:34 pm »

If fiber lust is 30,000 years old I am doomed!

You don't want to know the type of mental image the above statement gave me.
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« Reply #2: September 11, 2009, 06:51:42 pm »

You don't want to know the type of mental image the above statement gave me.

Oh, I can imagine.  Grin
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« Reply #3: September 11, 2009, 11:20:09 pm »


I think my first mental image upon reading the subject was a similar one to Mel's.
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« Reply #4: September 12, 2009, 09:37:15 am »


Hypothesis:

What we know from this article: The fibres found were linen, made from wild flax, and they were dyed.  The fibres found are about 28,000 years old, plus or minus.  Based upon the total find, the site was a center of production of colorful fibre, and probably cloth, along with fur and leather goods.

What I'd guess: Given that this site strongly indicates production of larger amounts of fibre, the technology has to be considerably older than the 28,000 years of the site age.  That there is evidence of manufacture of vibrant cloth on the site supports this.  That the cloth was linen encourages me to believe that the fibre lust we suffer today (linen and wool being my own personal lusts, with silk and fine cotton next) was well entrenched in the human psyche by this time.

Conclusion: Fibre lust has to be no less than 30,000 years a part of our human way of life.

You should see my collection!  And I certainly don't have anywhere near enough yarn, and I could definitely use a few dress lengths of linen and twill.  *nodnodnod*
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« Reply #5: September 14, 2009, 04:15:02 pm »

Hypothesis:

What we know from this article: The fibres found were linen, made from wild flax, and they were dyed.  The fibres found are about 28,000 years old, plus or minus.  Based upon the total find, the site was a center of production of colorful fibre, and probably cloth, along with fur and leather goods.

What I'd guess: Given that this site strongly indicates production of larger amounts of fibre, the technology has to be considerably older than the 28,000 years of the site age.  That there is evidence of manufacture of vibrant cloth on the site supports this.  That the cloth was linen encourages me to believe that the fibre lust we suffer today (linen and wool being my own personal lusts, with silk and fine cotton next) was well entrenched in the human psyche by this time.

Conclusion: Fibre lust has to be no less than 30,000 years a part of our human way of life.

You should see my collection!  And I certainly don't have anywhere near enough yarn, and I could definitely use a few dress lengths of linen and twill.  *nodnodnod*

Glad to know I'm not alone!
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« Reply #6: July 12, 2010, 04:31:43 am »

Hypothesis:

What we know from this article: The fibres found were linen, made from wild flax, and they were dyed.  The fibres found are about 28,000 years old, plus or minus.  Based upon the total find, the site was a center of production of colorful fibre, and probably cloth, along with fur and leather goods.

What I'd guess: Given that this site strongly indicates production of larger amounts of fibre, the technology has to be considerably older than the 28,000 years of the site age.  That there is evidence of manufacture of vibrant cloth on the site supports this.  That the cloth was linen encourages me to believe that the fibre lust we suffer today (linen and wool being my own personal lusts, with silk and fine cotton next) was well entrenched in the human psyche by this time.

Conclusion: Fibre lust has to be no less than 30,000 years a part of our human way of life.

You should see my collection!  And I certainly don't have anywhere near enough yarn, and I could definitely use a few dress lengths of linen and twill.  *nodnodnod*

Too bad linen is such a pain to spin.
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« Reply #7: July 12, 2010, 12:53:03 pm »

Too bad linen is such a pain to spin.

I kinda enjoy the little bit I've done, but then wet spinning kind of appeals to me.  There are other fibers (tencel, silk...I'm looking at you) that make me want to tear my hair out, but flax is (for the most part) my friend.

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« Reply #8: July 12, 2010, 02:02:17 pm »

I kinda enjoy the little bit I've done, but then wet spinning kind of appeals to me.  There are other fibers (tencel, silk...I'm looking at you) that make me want to tear my hair out, but flax is (for the most part) my friend.

Brina

My new ren faire costume is linen - and it feels great to wear.  I'm becoming a convert!
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« Reply #9: July 12, 2010, 02:10:14 pm »

My new ren faire costume is linen - and it feels great to wear.  I'm becoming a convert!

I love wearing linen too, though I'm actually not crazy about linen knitted stuff.  I mostly like it in woven cloth form.  And I adore the way it softens with age and washing.

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« Reply #10: July 12, 2010, 02:12:49 pm »

I love wearing linen too, though I'm actually not crazy about linen knitted stuff.  I mostly like it in woven cloth form.  And I adore the way it softens with age and washing.

Brina

Yeah - this is woven.  I never thought of knitting it, but I don't really like knitted cotton either.
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« Reply #11: July 12, 2010, 02:17:13 pm »

Yeah - this is woven.  I never thought of knitting it, but I don't really like knitted cotton either.

I like knit cotton blends, but it doesn't sub 1-1 with wool/wool blends.  Which is usually the biggest problem I've seen - anything where droop is bad, no cotton! Cheesy  (like the multiple knit cotton bikinis I've seen .. *shudder*

Haven't tried linen, but I'm planning to try the knitpicks Cotlin soon - cotton linen blend.  Very curious. Smiley
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« Reply #12: July 12, 2010, 02:24:50 pm »

I kinda enjoy the little bit I've done, but then wet spinning kind of appeals to me.  There are other fibers (tencel, silk...I'm looking at you) that make me want to tear my hair out, but flax is (for the most part) my friend.

Brina

Silk is not hard for me, once I get the drafting right.  Angora though...I need a lighter spindle, it keeps slipping apart on me.
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« Reply #13: July 12, 2010, 02:47:55 pm »

Silk is not hard for me, once I get the drafting right.

I don't draft.  I pre-draft.  I've also only ever used silk hankies, which are a different critter from carded fiber, of course.  It's just so easy to draft wool...

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« Reply #14: July 12, 2010, 02:50:46 pm »

I don't draft.  I pre-draft.  I've also only ever used silk hankies, which are a different critter from carded fiber, of course.  It's just so easy to draft wool...

Brina

Ah, I have never tried hankies.  I have done roving, and carded recycled sari silk.  I embroider with silk too, that has been quite an experience.
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