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« Reply #30: May 31, 2007, 08:52:51 am »

Teacher would be an aspect of any role since passing on knowledge was critical.

Yes, it could; but there are plenty of people who can't teach regardless of how knowledgeable they are on a topic.  Then there are those people who can teach anything just because they have that skill, drive and passion.

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Hunter would come under the warrior role (in truth, all adult Celts likely hunted).

No, not at all.  While killing is involved in both, and there are other similarities, a Warrior is fighting to protect others (and their own life at the least) or perhaps fighting for a goal or point of honor.  This is unlike a hunter who trying to provide food, or help restore/maintain a balance in nature. 

Very few warriors have the intent to cull as many humans in a city as they can because they (the city dwellers) are starving, or plan on eating those they've killed.

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Advisor would come under Druid or Brehon (judge).  Both gave adice[sic] to the populace on laws (as did filid, in later Celtic culture, especially after the Romans decimated the Druids at Mona).   

Yes, certainly it did in the past.  But would that still be the case today?  We keep hearing over and over again (from other orders and amongst ourselves) terms that describe Druids as priest/esses.  Well, a priest/ess is merely someone who is authorized and capable of performing the religious rites of a group.  So, ARE today's Druids still law givers and advisers?  Or have these functions split off?

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« Reply #31: May 31, 2007, 08:58:21 am »



Just a side note, Gobae...  I thank you for quoting, but could you please use the Quote/Reply function (top-right hand corner when you're reading a post) to do so?  That gives us the link-back to the post you're quoting, which is as important as the quote itself.

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« Reply #32: May 31, 2007, 09:22:52 am »

That gives us the link-back to the post you're quoting, which is as important as the quote itself.

It's actually more important from Lyric's and my POV.
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« Reply #33: May 31, 2007, 10:23:41 am »

Just a side note, Gobae...  I thank you for quoting, but could you please use the Quote/Reply function (top-right hand corner when you're reading a post) to do so?  That gives us the link-back to the post you're quoting, which is as important as the quote itself.

Thanks!  Smiley

Yeah, I did that, but it got cut down to a regular quote as I was chopping up the reply.  I'll reinsert the info now. 

Done.  How's that?
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« Reply #34: May 31, 2007, 10:31:25 am »

Yeah, I did that, but it got cut down to a regular quote as I was chopping up the reply.  I'll reinsert the info now. 

Done.  How's that?

Much better.  Thank you!
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« Reply #35: June 30, 2007, 12:29:02 am »

(If someone wants to retitle this thread, feel free!)

Some people follow different paths or adopt different roles from Celtic culture: outsider, warrior, bard, healer, priest, etc.  Is this something that should be part of RCR?  Which paths do people here follow?  What does this mean?  Does it relate to deities and spiritual practice?  How?

As a student of English and the medieval period, I see myself as on the fili path. I guess for me it is about the importance of words and communication. In Irish culture at least (I'm not as familiar with the other Celtic cultures, my apologies), the poets were also a repository of history and culture. They were the ones who recited the great stories and poems of the people and they also had the important power of satire. I'm hardly up to that standard, but I feel in my own small way, I'm following along that same path, something I feel even more so when I have to sit down and try to understand an ancient Welsh or Irish text for my studies and find its cultural meaning.
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« Reply #36: August 12, 2007, 01:18:41 pm »

(If someone wants to retitle this thread, feel free!)

Some people follow different paths or adopt different roles from Celtic culture: outsider, warrior, bard, healer, priest, etc.  Is this something that should be part of RCR?  Which paths do people here follow?  What does this mean?  Does it relate to deities and spiritual practice?  How?

Hmmm well I wouldnt really know... I feel drawn to Morrigan and I am extremely protective of certain thigns in my life (friends and family and the wildlife round here)... I have training in Japanese sword fighting, Im learning the staff and also Ill be commencing traditional archery in the next 6 months... I suppose thats warrior?
But then again Im extremely placid and spend alot of time in nature (hours and hours) thinking and observing and doing alot of study and research into the medicinal studies of herbs... so that would be healer? or ovate considering I enjoy learning about divination aswell?

Personally I dont think I have a specific role as I believe I am too young to have one, I think I must learn alot of things before I can make a statement of who I am indefinately.
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« Reply #37: August 13, 2007, 02:25:19 am »

One thing that has often come up over the years, when I've spoken of being on a Warrior Path, is folks asking, "So what all paths are there?"  What they want is a comprehensive list - many of them envision it having some particular spiritually-significant number of items, and/or assume it's some bit of Ancient Wisdom.  As in, "These are the twelve Spiritual Paths known to the ancient <fill in pet culture to romanticize>, to which one might be called."  While they don't mind some overlap, they certainly expect these paths to be distinct in context of the same frame.  (Basically, they want the Game Handbook, with a tidy set of character classes, and maybe a further set of "prestige classes" for those who in previous editions were multi-class/cross-class characters.  Not saying they're treating Paganism like a D&D game in the sense of how seriously they take it, but they do have an expectation, often subconscious, that it's laid out as neatly as D&D.)

Good points, but also, I think people just want some options - they want to know what they can do and what talents they can use to honor their path and their gods. The "warrior" path is all anyone ever seems to talk about, and many (and I'm not accusing this of anyone here mind you Wink ) stretch themselves thin trying to justify the use of that title, either because it's "cool" or because they think that's the only choice.

It must be easier for Hellenic Recons, I think - the Olympians have so many specific realms of expertise that it's easy to say, "my way of life/choice of profession is relevant to X deity, and so it is relevant to my path." Celtic deities don't have such clear-cut functions.

You also make a good point in that it's okay to not have a specific, exclusive path - to simply be a member of the community, a common person. I'm inspired by my politics to say that simply being a citizen is more than enough contribution to a community. It's the common people who make up a nation or tribe. Not its leaders, not its heroes, not its scholars - all that they do should be in service to the common member of the community, the way I see it.
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« Reply #38: August 13, 2007, 03:17:44 am »

Some people follow different paths or adopt different roles from Celtic culture: outsider, warrior, bard, healer, priest, etc.  Is this something that should be part of RCR?  Which paths do people here follow?  What does this mean?  Does it relate to deities and spiritual practice?  How?

For me, who is still seeking and not sure where I belong. I would have to go with healer. I have been in the medical field for a long long time. Not just in healing the physical but the emotional as well. Sometimes to heal all that is needed is someone to listen.
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« Reply #39: August 14, 2007, 12:35:54 am »

The "warrior" path is all anyone ever seems to talk about, and many (and I'm not accusing this of anyone here mind you Wink ) stretch themselves thin trying to justify the use of that title, either because it's "cool" or because they think that's the only choice.
Heh... I know what you mean.  I can tell "uphill both ways" stories of the days when the Warrior's Path was definitely un-cool ('cause Pagans are supposed to be pacifists, ya know?); I never imagined, then, that I'd miss the days when I got the "are you sure you're a Real PaganTM?" fishy looks instead of a chorus of eager me-too's.  (I, too, am not talking about TC - while we could pull together a pretty good Warrior Chorus, it'd be of folks who know what that means and aren't claiming it lightly.)

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« Reply #40: August 14, 2007, 06:44:38 pm »

The "warrior" path is all anyone ever seems to talk about, and many (and I'm not accusing this of anyone here mind you Wink ) stretch themselves thin trying to justify the use of that title, either because it's "cool" or because they think that's the only choice.

Saying you're on a warrior path sounds all sexy... and for some folks, that's the whole appeal. Other folks need that sort of strong guidance and discipline, my husband among them. Perhaps the warrior archetype is just naturally more popular during times of heightened awareness of violence? I can't say the world's more violent now than it was... but I do think Westerners are more attuned to that violence than in years past.

Me, I'm on more of an intellectual, crafty sort of path. My main danger is making sure I don't slip so far into the books that I forget to look out the window. Or that I take on so many projects that I don't finish anything. What's the sense of collecting craft kits and project sheets if I never actually make anything?

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« Reply #41: August 17, 2007, 05:55:32 pm »

Heh... I know what you mean.  I can tell "uphill both ways" stories of the days when the Warrior's Path was definitely un-cool ('cause Pagans are supposed to be pacifists, ya know?); I never imagined, then, that I'd miss the days when I got the "are you sure you're a Real PaganTM?" fishy looks instead of a chorus of eager me-too's. 

Heh, that must have been before my time! It could be a generational thing, in part - outside of anti-war rallies, I've never met anyone under 35 who thought it was cool to be pacifist.
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« Reply #42: August 18, 2007, 11:51:10 am »

Heh, that must have been before my time! It could be a generational thing, in part - outside of anti-war rallies, I've never met anyone under 35 who thought it was cool to be pacifist.

I'll be 30 in February. I think it's cool to be pacifist, especially since I am one.

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« Reply #43: August 18, 2007, 10:53:10 pm »

Heh, that must have been before my time! It could be a generational thing, in part - outside of anti-war rallies, I've never met anyone under 35 who thought it was cool to be pacifist.

Yeah, they've probably all been killed off.
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« Reply #44: August 18, 2007, 10:56:15 pm »

I'll be 30 in February. I think it's cool to be pacifist, especially since I am one.

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