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Author Topic: Front porch application in Shelton leads to Wiccan church questions  (Read 11960 times)
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« Reply #15: September 24, 2009, 12:48:46 pm »

Actually, when you talk about house churches (as compared to previously set up and dedicated church buildings), neighbors DO complain about traffic and bring complaints when the regular attendees number more than a very few.  Neighborhoods do complain when 1st Baptist, having the parking set up for a medium church, becomes a megachurch and the parking starts spilling into people's lawns (LYric and Randall, I think I heard this one from you guys)

O/T, but this is the reason why I refuse to drive on Sundays.  There are three churches within a few blocks of my building and only one (the Catholic) seems to have a parking lot (that apparently doesn't accommodate everyone in the congregation) so if I drove, I would never be able to find a good parking spot.  I think I blame it on the neighborhood planning commission -- this area was built up starting in the 1890's before there were cars (the churches themselves date to the first decade of the 20th Century).
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« Reply #16: September 24, 2009, 01:39:09 pm »

O/T, but this is the reason why I refuse to drive on Sundays.  There are three churches within a few blocks of my building and only one (the Catholic) seems to have a parking lot (that apparently doesn't accommodate everyone in the congregation) so if I drove, I would never be able to find a good parking spot.  I think I blame it on the neighborhood planning commission -- this area was built up starting in the 1890's before there were cars (the churches themselves date to the first decade of the 20th Century).

That's going to be true for most older areas.  They didn't plan on parking because nobody owned cars. You were expected to walk or take street car to church if it was in an urban area.
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« Reply #17: September 24, 2009, 03:51:45 pm »

As a person rasied Baptist may I point out that we get Baptised in Water?   If your spinkler causes any complaints remind them of that.

Somehow I don't think the guy driving the Beemer convertible would have appreciated that distinction.  Grin
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« Reply #18: September 24, 2009, 04:43:13 pm »

Somehow I don't think the guy driving the Beemer convertible would have appreciated that distinction.  Grin

Did he get wet?   Grin
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« Reply #19: September 24, 2009, 05:00:10 pm »

Did he get wet?   Grin

More than likely it was the inside of the car.  We are talking about a convertible here so if it had the top down... Grin
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« Reply #20: September 24, 2009, 05:16:22 pm »

Somehow I don't think the guy driving the Beemer convertible would have appreciated that distinction. 

Maybe he's one of those who stays away from water.  Sometimes it happens to those who were under water with a long winded preacher conducting the Baptism.
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« Reply #21: September 24, 2009, 06:15:55 pm »

Did he get wet?   Grin

He didn't very much, but his car did. Smiley
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« Reply #22: September 24, 2009, 06:17:02 pm »

More than likely it was the inside of the car.  We are talking about a convertible here so if it had the top down... Grin

And he said some very unchristianlike things. I just pointed to the BIG ASS FUCKING SIGN that was 10 feet away that said NO PARKING AT ANY TIME.

Then I went back to gardening.
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« Reply #23: September 24, 2009, 06:19:56 pm »

My dachshunds knew what to do when I opened the back door and told them, "Go bark at the Baptists."
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  That's adorable!

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« Reply #24: September 24, 2009, 06:41:17 pm »

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  That's adorable!

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My mother (former SB) was mortified the first time she saw me do it. Then she saw how those people parked and completely understood. And I have to admit seven standard dachshunds hitting a back fence is pretty impressive. They barked like they meant it.  Grin
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« Reply #25: September 25, 2009, 12:00:59 am »

My mother (former SB) was mortified the first time she saw me do it. Then she saw how those people parked and completely understood. And I have to admit seven standard dachshunds hitting a back fence is pretty impressive. They barked like they meant it.  Grin

That's because doxies are big dogs stuck in little bodies - and they know it. I mean, c'mon, what's an annoyed Baptist in comparison to the badgers that doxies were bred to hunt down?
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« Reply #26: September 25, 2009, 04:57:13 pm »

He didn't very much, but his car did. Smiley

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« Reply #27: October 03, 2009, 07:52:19 pm »

It seems more appropriate to me to let the porch through without putting up much fuss over it specifically, but to concentrate on complaints about the property's use.

I've read the original article, and I agree. If there are issues with parking/noise, etc, then the property owner should be working with the neighbors to minimize it. The Baltimore ADF group uses a private home for their meeting space (and someone lives in an apartment on the property). The house is in an older section of Baltimore city so it does have a yard but the property isn't large, and they've had issues with the neighbors and parking and have maps on their website instructing people where the "no park" zones are.

I realize folks might not want to seem "discriminatory" by saying they don't want a church next-door, but if there are legitimate issues they should be addressed and compromised. No one wants to live in a neighborhood where there's loud drumming circles at all hours of the night, cigarette butts on the ground, and nowhere to park at the full moon.

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« Reply #28: October 03, 2009, 08:10:04 pm »

I've read the original article, and I agree. If there are issues with parking/noise, etc, then the property owner should be working with the neighbors to minimize it. The Baltimore ADF group uses a private home for their meeting space (and someone lives in an apartment on the property). The house is in an older section of Baltimore city so it does have a yard but the property isn't large, and they've had issues with the neighbors and parking and have maps on their website instructing people where the "no park" zones are.

I realize folks might not want to seem "discriminatory" by saying they don't want a church next-door, but if there are legitimate issues they should be addressed and compromised. No one wants to live in a neighborhood where there's loud drumming circles at all hours of the night, cigarette butts on the ground, and nowhere to park at the full moon.

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grumble, gruble. unless the Grove lost it,  Cedar Light owns the property which was originially a multi-family house. they rent one of the sections out to help pay for the site.
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« Reply #29: October 03, 2009, 08:20:19 pm »

grumble, gruble. unless the Grove lost it,  Cedar Light owns the property which was originially a multi-family house. they rent one of the sections out to help pay for the site.

CedarLight does own the property. And while I haven't been able to go out to one of their holiday rituals, they don't seem like the type of place to have 100 destructive people tearing up the neighborhood... but 15 or 20 extra cars in the neighborhood, even if it's only 8 times a year, can be a bit much depending on where you live. And as far as I know, that neighborhood is completely zoned residential and not any sort of mixed-use. I have friends that live less than a mile away from the Grove.

I can understand the parking issues whole-heartedly. While I live in Baltimore county and not the city, my neighborhood is old rowhouses. Many of us have parking pads off the back alley, but you can only fit one car in it. Two if you're lucky. Most houses have at least two cars now, many of which are SUVs or pickups. Parking is at such a premium on my street that I never have parties and rarely have people over at all. I'm lucky to get a parking space on my block, much less in front of my house, if I come home later than 7pm. And it was worse before my asshat next-door neighbors moved out with their 5 big cars!

I figure if we, as a group of religions, are going to continue to use private homes as our worship spaces then we have to be willing to be very good neighbors as well. If someone wants to be an intolerant asshat after being informed about what goes on and involved in the planning for parking and late-night noise, that's one thing. But if we're not willing to work with the neighbors to make sure that everyone has access to their driveways and no one is disturbed by late-night porch talkers or finds cigarette butts on their lawn, then we're being just as intolerant and obnoxious, IMO.

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