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« Reply #15: October 08, 2009, 06:46:38 am »

However, can spirituality be completely independent from religion and non-theistic/atheistic? I think that spirituality can be in a physical, contemplative, and metaphorical sense, which can be free of any theistic, ethereal connotations. Finding the "divine", as you put it, can be found right under our noses, and maybe all of these religiously spiritual terms may not help us explain our thoughts, but the intent is definitely what drives us to live for the beauty of the world.

 I believe spiritual can be completley seperate from religion and vice versa. We encourage spiritual development when we encourage children  (or adults) to contemplate beauty, ethics/morals nature and a whole host of other things independent of religious beliefs. Much of some religions has nothing to do with spiritual thought at all being more about rules and regulations.

If you get confused about terminology and how to explain beliefs I sometimes use personal belief system is Pagan doesn't seem appropriate and I don't want to explain.  Smiley
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« Reply #16: October 10, 2009, 03:52:44 pm »

I've been on and off of here for quite some time. A couple years, maybe. I've been lead down all sorts of paths. Wicca, shamanism, druidry, germanic neopaganism, pantheism, agnosticism, and most recently buddhism. To me, Buddhism is such a pure, flawless philosophy. It doesn't have me questioning about what there might be, what might come, but rather has me contemplating what is now. And for that I really think that is the right direction for me to go in (am I actually going anywhere at all? Tongue).

But to the point. I'm really not sure whether I even believe in a higher power anymore. I felt before that I was trying very hard to accept the whole idea, but it's just something very difficult for me to completely believe. Anyone else feel this way? While I was forcing deity upon myself, I did feel a wonderful connection with nature, though, a familiar, deep connection, which I still do, but it isn't quite the same. Does nature worship, seeing the earth as a divine mass, fall under the spectrum of religious worship? My main focus is on the earth, living in absolute "spiritual" harmony with it and showing my respect in a manner that deepens my own awareness in the context of the earth.  I don't particularly think this is exactly religious worship, but I'd like to see what anyone else thinks. Any feedback would be great.


1st please let me apologise for sending a blank message          im a newcomer to puters

this is my reply

my own personal belief is a faith in anything comes from within
it is something personal to each person     
faith takes many guises it is all embracing yet personal to the person seeking it
faith requires no pre-requisites its purely a matter as individual as each of its seekers
dont try to label yourself      many ways of thinking overlap    whilst some demand or ask for a certain compliance
by all means follow your own path    but when in doubt look to how you feel

hope this is of help

       

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« Reply #17: October 10, 2009, 08:26:09 pm »

So, let me clear the air. Terminology isn't so big anymore. Deity doesn't matter. That's pretty much become the main point of this argument, at least for me. However, can spirituality be completely independent from religion and non-theistic/atheistic? I think that spirituality can be in a physical, contemplative, and metaphorical sense, which can be free of any theistic, ethereal connotations. Finding the "divine", as you put it, can be found right under our noses, and maybe all of these religiously spiritual terms may not help us explain our thoughts, but the intent is definitely what drives us to live for the beauty of the world.

It probably all depends on how you define 'religion' and 'spirituality'. To me, religion denotes the organized practice of one's spirituality - the 'outer temple', the rituals and observances. Spirituality is the 'inner temple', how you feel, how it affects your life, how it affects you personally. A person can be religious & never open the doors to the inner sanctum, and a spiritual person doesn't necessarily have to do anything to know they are blessed.
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« Reply #18: October 17, 2009, 04:15:22 pm »

But to the point. I'm really not sure whether I even believe in a higher power anymore. I felt before that I was trying very hard to accept the whole idea, but it's just something very difficult for me to completely believe. Anyone else feel this way? While I was forcing deity upon myself, I did feel a wonderful connection with nature, though, a familiar, deep connection, which I still do, but it isn't quite the same. Does nature worship, seeing the earth as a divine mass, fall under the spectrum of religious worship? My main focus is on the earth, living in absolute "spiritual" harmony with it and showing my respect in a manner that deepens my own awareness in the context of the earth.  I don't particularly think this is exactly religious worship, but I'd like to see what anyone else thinks. Any feedback would be great.
I think that it's almost impossible to believe 100 hundred percent in any deity or religion, as our knowledge (of us common earhtlings) is weak and it's limited. I can say it from my personal experience because I've been wandering for years, atheist in my youth, converted, but not to any religion, just converted to a believer in God, very brief period feeling Christian, then again just only Believer, for many years. I think, now, after many years that it's hard to be a true believer. A man has to have a very broad knowledge, to read hundreds of spiritual books, just to arrive a bit closer to the spiritual truth.

It's funny that after many years I'm not more convinced than I've been in the beggining of my spiritual research. Well, I've never lost my faith in architect, in designer of the universe, but I'm deeply sceptical toward any 'revelation' of the spiritual truth. An earthling, a common man, can't do that. A man can arrive relatively farther than others on the spiritual path, but not... not to the God Creator himself. It's out of reach, it's impossible for any man to achieve it.

In my opinion, being an agnostic is not in contrariety with believing in higher entities. It just says that person is sceptical in regard of knowing God.
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