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« Reply #75: October 18, 2009, 03:47:41 pm »

er - Inca said specifically IN THE NETHERLANDS that's the case.  Not Canada.

Different country, different rules.

I know that. Thou sometimes  in Canada  they  can  be  a pain to get  rid of too. I'm am not  totally  familiar with the rules  in  Netherlands, I will have to  do  some research on them and see  how the compare to  the rules in Canada.
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« Reply #76: October 18, 2009, 05:10:47 pm »

I wish it would be here that way too. It should. But in sad reality the funding of those processes do not always agree with each other. The resources to help and care are limited, but after a few very unfortunate incidents, Child Services are required (once again by bureaucratic rules that leave limited space for personal judgment) to act when they notice an emergency. This has more than once leading to children taken from home and even placed in juvenile facilities (!) without any possibility for treatment - even when everybody agreed five years earlier that some kind of treatment was necessary and everyone saw the shipwreck coming and nothing was done about it.

It's horrible, but at the moment I would not recommend someone with problems with their children to address Child Services in The Netherlands, but to try and find a decent private physician or psychologist and deal with it at home whenever possible. Because once set in motion, getting child services involved cannot be undone.

 

Funding is the hitch in a lot of things that started out as good ideas.  If the agency itself has limited resources and options then they are not of much use to the parents.  I do believe that sometimes taking the kids away is a good idea, but that is in matters of abuse or the parent needing time to learn how to deal with the situation properly.  Parents who have never had to deal with special needs situations growing up sometimes need courses on a: understanding that they are real, b : learning techniques, physical or mental, for coping, both for the child and for themselves, and c: sometimes some specialist education so that they can take care of their children.

With the situation as it is, policing is often the only semi-effective thing a Chilrens Protective Service counselor can do.  We're fairly lucky here - once you call them they do stay involved for a certain amount of time (six months or a year, I think) to check on them, but in that time they help the parents to get the help and education they need.  When they sign off on a family that family is usually better able to take care of things than they were before.

Of course, there are also the 'malice calls' that they get, as in Jubes' case.  The have to investigate, even when they know the calls are part of custody maneuvers or family infighting, or even feuding neighbours.  That takes time and resources too, but better an unnecessary investigation, and possible mischief charges against serial accusers, than missing a real problem.

As I said, it is sad that an agency with so much potential becomes 'the enemy' in so many cases.

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« Reply #77: October 18, 2009, 08:12:06 pm »



Nope, if you went to the cub scouts link, this rule includes swiss-army type eating utinsils. I just had to play devil's advocate, again, the media manipulates the public so blatantly, and only shows what they want to do so, not what the full story really was. I admit, I think BBC is a little better.



the one I have is not a sharp pocketknife equivalent.  It wouldn't cut hard steak.
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« Reply #78: October 18, 2009, 08:15:58 pm »

the one I have is not a sharp pocketknife equivalent.  It wouldn't cut hard steak.

I've seen a fair few sets of camping utensils and most of them are less useful than a butter-knife...
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« Reply #79: October 18, 2009, 08:29:30 pm »

I've seen a fair few sets of camping utensils and most of them are less useful than a butter-knife...


  I had noted with interest, how the news media kept calling it a "camping utensil " and (rather pointedly) not mentioning that indeed it Did have a knife as a part of it.

  Still, i'm glad it was resolved with a lighter punishment.
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« Reply #80: October 18, 2009, 08:58:41 pm »

I had noted with interest, how the news media kept calling it a "camping utensil " and (rather pointedly) not mentioning that indeed it Did have a knife as a part of it.

I actually thought "camping utensil" made it sound much scarier than it is. I mean, would folks find it such a worrying object if it were called a normal, ridiculously blunt, table knife? Because that is pretty much what the knife part of these camping sets is. If I'm honest, I think you could do more damage with the fork...
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« Reply #81: October 18, 2009, 10:38:35 pm »

I had noted with interest, how the news media kept calling it a "camping utensil " and (rather pointedly) not mentioning that indeed it Did have a knife as a part of it.

Yes, they are a knife, fork, and spoon -- probably much like the ones in the school cafeteria except they are usually less sturdy and connect together as a set.
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« Reply #82: October 19, 2009, 10:54:16 am »

Personally I would  prefer  my  daughter to  be  in  a  classroom  with  other special needs  children, but alas  the school  feels she is  fine  in a main stream class even IF  she  can't do the work.

I think that the rush to mainstream has caused a lot of problems for kids that just aren't ready for the standard classroom.

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« Reply #83: October 19, 2009, 10:56:31 am »

I think that the rush to mainstream has caused a lot of problems for kids that just aren't ready for the standard classroom.

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« Reply #84: October 19, 2009, 11:08:30 am »

I wish to gods there was more tracking.  Put kids in mixed-age classrooms where they're doing the work at the rate they can do it, not glommed together by age and forced to try to manage the same work.

Exactly. And when variance is the norm anyway, there's not that great big gap between 'normal' and 'special needs'. It's not so special all the time anymore.
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« Reply #85: October 19, 2009, 11:11:32 am »

I've seen a fair few sets of camping utensils and most of them are less useful than a butter-knife...

Wow, the world changed quite a bit in the last 20, 30 years.
A lot of us (5th, 6th grade class) had pocket knives with them.
Nobody made a fuss. You needed them for various things and nobody cared really.
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« Reply #86: October 19, 2009, 01:51:39 pm »

I've seen a fair few sets of camping utensils and most of them are less useful than a butter-knife...

Not the military issue - they work great as steak knives.  We use them for camping.
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« Reply #87: October 21, 2009, 03:58:26 am »

Wow, the world changed quite a bit in the last 20, 30 years.
A lot of us (5th, 6th grade class) had pocket knives with them.
Nobody made a fuss. You needed them for various things and nobody cared really.

Gods, that is wishful thinking over here! Certain kinds of knives are banned in the UK, and the other are strictly regulated. Under 18's cannot even buy steak knives now. Even when I was at school (many, many moons ago!) knives were not allowed. Sometimes I think that the government have gone a little OTT with the ruling and then other times I agree with it.

 Having had a large knife waved threateningly in my face by a 14 year old boy eho was trying to steal from the shop that I was working in gives you a whole new perspective on things. (No, he didn't get what he was after as I lost my temper and threw the little sod out of the shop. The police caught him in about 10 mins, but they couldn't do much as he was a minor. My husband went mental at me-told me that I should just have let him have what he wanted, but I was so angry that he was threatening me, I just lost it!  Angry).


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I think - and no I'm not in nostalgia *g* - that times changed and lost some sort of 'innocence'.
I still remember that when Michael Jackson's Thriller was out first, the video show 'Formel 1' was moved at 10 pm because of the video.
Innocent times I'd say. Today one would laugh at something like this.

Since some kids ran wild in schools and hurt and killed others, I can't imagine knives are still not cared about today.
When I was a kid nobody would've imagined we'd go around threatening teachers or other kids with our pocketknives.

(And for a DM you could buy a ton of sweets and the snow was six foot high and we went barefoot through it to get to school .... maybe I am in nostalgia mode.)
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« Reply #89: October 21, 2009, 11:30:24 am »

and the snow was six foot high and we went barefoot through it to get to school ....

Uphill both ways.  Really.  (here's where my kids point out that I grew up in Southern California - no snow).
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