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« Reply #45: December 09, 2009, 06:11:03 pm »

I'm certainly coming to the conclusion that if myths are to be written about FlameKeeping, they're likely not to be written by me.

Which scares me, because that leaves myths ABOUT me as a distinct possibility.  I promise here and now I will haunt the HELL out of anyone that tries to claim I was a virgin birth or any of that rot. Cheesy  (yes, these are things I worry about.  I need help).

But myths aren't what I have to say.  and I need to write what I have, not pretend it's something else.

(disclaimer - my novels ARE NOT FlameKeeping myth.  Or my short stories or anything else.  I'd rather someone made up virgin birth stories about me Tongue )

what about the mushroom orgys?
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« Reply #46: December 09, 2009, 08:01:09 pm »

I give, I give.  First person it is. Cheesy  (I probably always should have done it this way, but first person for religious work like this gives me the heebie jeebies.  It's not about ME.  It's about the PATH.)
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Is this the kind of thing that would work?
That works much better, IMO.  Sure it's about the path.  But if you want to tell the story of walking that path, you can't tell anyone else's; it has to be your own.

Incidentally, you have written something that, if not full-blown myth, is the bones of a myth that could be fleshed out - depends a bit on how one is defining "myth".  That'd be the bright flame/dark flame concept - it has the crucial core element of being revelatory of one of FlameKeeping's "cosmic truths" (cf Catja's posts on the academic definition of "myth").  I don't know if there's enough story to it to fit Altair's sense of the word, but I'd say that it's myth even if it's not a myth.

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« Reply #47: December 09, 2009, 09:55:39 pm »

what about the mushroom orgys?


I'm a little scared, but I'll bite - what kind of religious teaching CAN you read into that one?  I'm nervously curious.
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« Reply #48: December 09, 2009, 09:58:33 pm »

That works much better, IMO.  Sure it's about the path.  But if you want to tell the story of walking that path, you can't tell anyone else's; it has to be your own.

Incidentally, you have written something that, if not full-blown myth, is the bones of a myth that could be fleshed out - depends a bit on how one is defining "myth".  That'd be the bright flame/dark flame concept - it has the crucial core element of being revelatory of one of FlameKeeping's "cosmic truths" (cf Catja's posts on the academic definition of "myth").  I don't know if there's enough story to it to fit Altair's sense of the word, but I'd say that it's myth even if it's not a myth.

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*nods* I'm going to have to think about that - it's definitely a central *theme* to FlameKeeping.  It's the metaphor that underlies the story.

At this point, I don't give much of a crap about the *word* myth - religion needs myth, but I don't have it - and I'll let someone else worry about that part. Cheesy
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« Reply #49: December 10, 2009, 12:29:05 am »

Is this the kind of thing that would work?

I found this much easier to engage. It played on my natural inclination to try and empathise with someone relating an experience (which is a common psychological strategy for understanding and learning from communication). I think that this sort of material is important to have within your collection. I suspect that there is also a need for a separate, third-person treatment of the material that is much longer and presents situations that illustrate the lesson and show how the teachings can be put into effect.
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« Reply #50: December 10, 2009, 12:32:25 am »

You realize that this post makes me want to crawl under the bed and never come out, yes? Cheesy

Yes Cheesy

I'd certainly be trying not to think about it too much if it was me. That said, IMHO you'd be a fool not to think about it. You're going to be misrepresented and misinterpretted whether you like it or not. At least knowing that gives you a chance to make it work for you, or to guard against the scarier risks.
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« Reply #51: December 10, 2009, 12:41:43 am »

...It's not about ME...


Actually, yest it is and it will be. It's about you because you're the one who has come to know the Truths of Flamekeeping. Your understanding of the world is the memetic gamete that will define and direct the future growth of Flamekeeping as a religion shared by a community of believers and practitioners. Your understandings arise, at least in part, out of your life experiences. Those who come after you will look to those life experiences (together with any 'fake' experiences that you codify in myth) as a key tool in reaching a deeper understanding of Flamekeeping as you understand it. It's an outcome you want them to achieve.

Modesty and humility seem important to you (and I cerainly respect them as qualities), but I suspect you need to find a way to make sure they don't get in the way of your empowering your future adherents with every tool you possibly can.
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« Reply #52: December 10, 2009, 01:40:53 am »

You realize that this post makes me want to crawl under the bed and never come out, yes? Cheesy

I like it-it makes sense and it explains things well. You should be proud of yourself!

(By the way-do you need the sub minion back yet, or can I still abuse your generosity as my Guru and find some more uses for him? I'm trying to teach him some basic crystal work... Undecided )
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« Reply #53: December 10, 2009, 02:28:46 am »

I'm a little scared, but I'll bite - what kind of religious teaching CAN you read into that one?  I'm nervously curious.

*disengaging brain and attempting to think like the worst kind of fundamentalist*

all important discussions should be held and all important discisions made while having intercourse with all intrested parties. therefore minors can have no say in how the world is run, and a whole new meaning should eb bought to inter-family relations
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« Reply #54: December 10, 2009, 02:33:21 am »

*disengaging brain and attempting to think like the worst kind of fundamentalist*

all important discussions should be held and all important discisions made while having intercourse with all intrested parties. therefore minors can have no say in how the world is run, and a whole new meaning should eb bought to inter-family relations


Couldn't you have phrased that any better? It sounds like a meeting in a bordello! Wink
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« Reply #55: December 10, 2009, 07:47:12 am »

I like it-it makes sense and it explains things well. You should be proud of yourself!

(By the way-do you need the sub minion back yet, or can I still abuse your generosity as my Guru and find some more uses for him? I'm trying to teach him some basic crystal work... Undecided )

eh, he's not going to actually do any *writing* for me .. *sigh* you might as well abuse him.  Cheesy
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« Reply #56: December 10, 2009, 07:47:43 am »

*disengaging brain and attempting to think like the worst kind of fundamentalist*

all important discussions should be held and all important discisions made while having intercourse with all intrested parties. therefore minors can have no say in how the world is run, and a whole new meaning should eb bought to inter-family relations


*ponders* yeah, that actually works.  Scary. Cheesy
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« Reply #57: December 10, 2009, 07:49:01 am »

Modesty and humility seem important to you (and I cerainly respect them as qualities), but I suspect you need to find a way to make sure they don't get in the way of your empowering your future adherents with every tool you possibly can.

That may well be true, but it's HARD.  Seriously frightening hard.  Because I am all too aware how imperfect I am .......

*sigh*.  Oh well.  At least I know going out the gate that I'm going to get it wrong somewhere.  Maybe using that as a warning will make people at least think?

(yes, optimism reigns eternal.  what's your point?)
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« Reply #58: December 10, 2009, 11:04:11 am »

eh, he's not going to actually do any *writing* for me .. *sigh* you might as well abuse him.  Cheesy

Not going to do that-he'd enjoy it!  Grin I will make him work though. He's got a lot to learn...
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« Reply #59: December 19, 2009, 01:07:33 am »

I give, I give.  First person it is. Cheesy  (I probably always should have done it this way, but first person for religious work like this gives me the heebie jeebies.  It's not about ME.  It's about the PATH.)

I'm having a hard time putting this first part into decent sentences.
When writing about finding and following "the PATH" it is important to have background on who is describing said path.  Someone who lives in the city, a concrete jungle, will describe a path through a forest differently than someone who lives in the jungles of Borneo.  If we can get a sense of the speaker's preconceptions and biases, we can adjust more easily to our own.


In addition to thinking of who your audience is, consider who the writer is.  You've titled this thread "Stories from the future."  Are they the speaches of a Heirophant?  Is this a journal of a new seeker, or a 14th generation Minion of the Divine?  Or is "from the future" irrelevant without the myth label.

If you write from the perspective of someone other than yourself, what does that person know about the Foinder?  Do they know Genevieve Wood also wrote fiction, or do they think you spent your days sitting under bohdi trees?  Or do they only remember you because there's a Holiday named for you.  I say you write your own myths about yourself.

Story impressions:
In your first post, the ending of "Join Us," made me think I was reading a advertisement, a flyer. "Meetings every second Tuesday."  The second one I got an image of a Heirophant with surrounding students.  The third (about standing in line) felt more like a narrative essay.  The fourth about the floating speck comes across as something of a creation myth.

The fifth, regarding looking for names.  Feels like a schoolbook: "History of Religion."  The sixth, knowing your aversion to speaking about yourself, I imagined as a letter saved by someone.  Like letters written by, say, George Washington may be kept.
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