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« Topic Start: December 22, 2009, 06:54:41 am »

Hello!
I decided Hellenic polytheism is the most appropriate religion for me...
It was a long trip, and SO hard decision, that I in the end used divination. I wrote on 12 small papers, names of the all pagan religions that are alive today. I prayed to all Gods for help... In the morning, I picked paper with Greek recon... Smiley
I love it!
BUT, here is my only problem with that religion - OFFERINGS
I just CAN'T leave the food outside!
Since I practiced Kemetic religion, it's very nice for me to eat the offerings, after the ritual.
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Can I eat offerings? Is it wrong? Please answer.
I can't leave apples around my yard, I can't bury them anywhere (it's snow here btw), and especially NO GRILLING!
Also, it's kind of inappropriate for me to "waste" food and take it away.
Thank you in advance.
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« Reply #1: December 22, 2009, 08:21:56 am »

BUT, here is my only problem with that religion - OFFERINGS
I just CAN'T leave the food outside!

Libations can just be poured on the ground -- even if it is just a symbolic few drops.  Meat sacrifices were generally feasts in ancient Greece. The priests and people ate everything they could and only what they could not eat was left for the Gods.
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« Reply #2: December 22, 2009, 08:24:06 am »

Libations can just be poured on the ground -- even if it is just a symbolic few drops.  Meat sacrifices were generally feasts in ancient Greece. The priests and people ate everything they could and only what they could not eat was left for the Gods.
Okay, first thank you for replaying. Does it then mean that I can eat a cake, or chocolate, fruit or whatever I offer to Gods?
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« Reply #3: December 27, 2009, 12:43:30 pm »

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Oh, I understand your dilema.  I can't leave the offerings outside, but I feel I can't eat them either!  So, what to do with them?  I'm looking forward to others' answers, but I wanted to suggest giving an offering of something other than food.  You could also do volunteer work for a cause that is associated with a deity, offering songs, poems, art, donate money to specific causes...light a candle or burn incense They like.  Offerings don't have to be just food.

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« Reply #4: December 28, 2009, 04:35:12 am »

Oh, I understand your dilema.  I can't leave the offerings outside, but I feel I can't eat them either!  So, what to do with them?  I'm looking forward to others' answers, but I wanted to suggest giving an offering of something other than food.  You could also do volunteer work for a cause that is associated with a deity, offering songs, poems, art, donate money to specific causes...light a candle or burn incense They like.  Offerings don't have to be just food.


Thank you for replaying. Smiley
I read in Sanion's page how certain deities would be worshiped in everyday life.
I am very good in house jobs, so in that way I worship Hestia. I  am trying to "cover" all deities Olympians with things I do through the day.
As Randall said, I make libations, give a little amount of everything I drink through the day, to the Gods.
Candles, incenses, arts, and other things go pretty well, but still, when I eat something, I wish to thank to Demeter, and other Gods, to dedicate that food to them... That's why I ask this question.
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« Reply #5: January 10, 2010, 09:08:19 am »

Candles, incenses, arts, and other things go pretty well, but still, when I eat something, I wish to thank to Demeter, and other Gods, to dedicate that food to them... That's why I ask this question.

I'm not strictly Greek Recon, but I tend to split the food offerings between myself and the gods. For example, I raise an apple so the gods can take a symbolic first bite, and then I take a bite out of it, and leave it on my altar until the ritual is done. The gods consume the essence and I either finish it or, more often, go place it at the base of a maple tree in my backyard. Currently I've got a small bowl of rice and rosemary clippings to Aphrodite that's charging on my altar and I plan on sprinkling that out by the bird feeder so at least that gets recycled.

I would talk to the deities - one on one, if that's easier for you - and ask them directly how they feel about the treatment of their offerings. One way to think of leaving your edible offerings outside is that, so long as they're vegan and not too processed, they should biodegrade into the environment just fine. It could become food for animals, or later on sustenance for plants, etc. If you can't do it in your yard, put it in a small brown bag and take it to a nearby park or some sort of wild area (but take the bag back home with you!). If you've got a compost, you could use that in a pinch, and if you absolutely cannot take it outside or consume the food yourself, say a quick prayer and toss it in the trashcan. If that's your only alternative, the gods will understand - and I'm sure they don't want old, decaying food on their altars, either!

Also, I second the suggestion of non-food offerings. Candles and incense are good, but so is volunteer time. For an earthy deity such as Demeter, Persephone, or Dionysus, who almost seem to require food or drink offerings, consider what they stand for and how their influence might be felt in modern society. For Demeter, you could bake bread, with the actual time and effort behind the baking as your offering, and the nice warm bread for yourself. Smiley Or, you could get together a donation for a local food pantry. For Persephone, get outside after the spring thaw and do some gardening, or offer to help with a neighbor's garden. For Dionysus, you could visit a local vineyard and learn about the winemaking process. On the other hand, you could also volunteer for a group like AA, or any organization dealing with drug abuse or mental problems.

As I've said, I'm not Greek Recon and a lot of my impressions are admittedly UPG. However, I feel that the gods (especially the Classical ones) are understanding, and that they do value the intent and motivation behind actions. Learn as much as you can about the way the ancients did it, the way the moderns are doing it, and how the gods seem to be guiding you, and I think you'll be just fine. Smiley
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« Reply #6: January 10, 2010, 09:24:50 am »

I'm not strictly Greek Recon, but I tend to split the food offerings between myself and the gods. For example, I raise an apple so the gods can take a symbolic first bite, and then I take a bite out of it, and leave it on my altar until the ritual is done. The gods consume the essence and I either finish it or, more often, go place it at the base of a maple tree in my backyard. Currently I've got a small bowl of rice and rosemary clippings to Aphrodite that's charging on my altar and I plan on sprinkling that out by the bird feeder so at least that gets recycled.

I would talk to the deities - one on one, if that's easier for you - and ask them directly how they feel about the treatment of their offerings. One way to think of leaving your edible offerings outside is that, so long as they're vegan and not too processed, they should biodegrade into the environment just fine. It could become food for animals, or later on sustenance for plants, etc. If you can't do it in your yard, put it in a small brown bag and take it to a nearby park or some sort of wild area (but take the bag back home with you!). If you've got a compost, you could use that in a pinch, and if you absolutely cannot take it outside or consume the food yourself, say a quick prayer and toss it in the trashcan. If that's your only alternative, the gods will understand - and I'm sure they don't want old, decaying food on their altars, either!

Also, I second the suggestion of non-food offerings. Candles and incense are good, but so is volunteer time. For an earthy deity such as Demeter, Persephone, or Dionysus, who almost seem to require food or drink offerings, consider what they stand for and how their influence might be felt in modern society. For Demeter, you could bake bread, with the actual time and effort behind the baking as your offering, and the nice warm bread for yourself. Smiley Or, you could get together a donation for a local food pantry. For Persephone, get outside after the spring thaw and do some gardening, or offer to help with a neighbor's garden. For Dionysus, you could visit a local vineyard and learn about the winemaking process. On the other hand, you could also volunteer for a group like AA, or any organization dealing with drug abuse or mental problems.

As I've said, I'm not Greek Recon and a lot of my impressions are admittedly UPG. However, I feel that the gods (especially the Classical ones) are understanding, and that they do value the intent and motivation behind actions. Learn as much as you can about the way the ancients did it, the way the moderns are doing it, and how the gods seem to be guiding you, and I think you'll be just fine. Smiley

Thank you a lot. I appreciate your answer. Smiley I think you've said a lot of good things. Thank you once again.
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« Reply #7: January 10, 2010, 09:31:46 am »

Thank you a lot. I appreciate your answer. Smiley I think you've said a lot of good things. Thank you once again.

No problem! Smiley I'm glad to help and I wish you the best of luck on your path.
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« Reply #8: January 19, 2010, 11:02:58 pm »

Hello!
I decided Hellenic polytheism is the most appropriate religion for me...
It was a long trip, and SO hard decision, that I in the end used divination. I wrote on 12 small papers, names of the all pagan religions that are alive today. I prayed to all Gods for help... In the morning, I picked paper with Greek recon... Smiley
I love it!
BUT, here is my only problem with that religion - OFFERINGS
I just CAN'T leave the food outside!
Since I practiced Kemetic religion, it's very nice for me to eat the offerings, after the ritual.
Question:
Can I eat offerings? Is it wrong? Please answer.
I can't leave apples around my yard, I can't bury them anywhere (it's snow here btw), and especially NO GRILLING!
Also, it's kind of inappropriate for me to "waste" food and take it away.
Thank you in advance.

That is tricky. From a Hellenic perspective, the offerings are not supposed to be touched after they are offered to gods. The wastefulness is considered a display of piety. In Egypt, on the other hand, food was scarce, so wasting food was out of the question. Honestly, I don't think it matters to the gods either way, as the difference in practice has more to do with culture than unshakable divine truth. I think in Egypt, the life force of the food was given to the gods using the ankh to transfer it from the food to the statue, so maybe you could do that before you eat the food.
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« Reply #9: February 15, 2010, 04:22:22 pm »

That is tricky. From a Hellenic perspective, the offerings are not supposed to be touched after they are offered to gods. The wastefulness is considered a display of piety. In Egypt, on the other hand, food was scarce, so wasting food was out of the question. Honestly, I don't think it matters to the gods either way, as the difference in practice has more to do with culture than unshakable divine truth. I think in Egypt, the life force of the food was given to the gods using the ankh to transfer it from the food to the statue, so maybe you could do that before you eat the food.

And in Ireland and Scotland (according to CR) is it harmful to the living if offered food is consumed. 

Doesn't exactly fly with me...I mean something has to eat the food whether it's human, animal, whatever.  How can eating the physical be harmful to the living even after the essence is removed?
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« Reply #10: February 16, 2010, 10:48:27 pm »

Well, its an offering, right? Then spend the time and money to get a high quality candle or some very nice incense and offer that. I'm currently burning a holiday chai candle that seems to be going down very well. Its a neat way to sidestep edible offerings while still giving something yummy ^_^
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« Reply #11: February 17, 2010, 01:30:45 pm »

And in Ireland and Scotland (according to CR) is it harmful to the living if offered food is consumed.

Do you have a source for this? I've been thinking a lot on this subject and I'd love to have some more source material to dig in.
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« Reply #12: February 17, 2010, 04:44:48 pm »

Do you have a source for this? I've been thinking a lot on this subject and I'd love to have some more source material to dig in.

From The CR FAQ Smiley
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« Reply #13: February 17, 2010, 09:40:15 pm »

From The CR FAQ Smiley

Ah, thanks. Smiley I'll have to see if any of them can cite a source.
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« Reply #14: February 18, 2010, 04:54:43 pm »

Ah, thanks. Smiley I'll have to see if any of them can cite a source.

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