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« Topic Start: January 06, 2010, 09:07:18 pm »

I was just reading through some prayers for Imbolc, and I noticed that they talk a lot about Brighid as Christ's foster mother.  It sort of brought up the question for me: how does that reconcile for people?  As in - from what I've read, she's a pre-Christian Celtic deity, and she was later also associated with being Christ's midwife.

My question is, do followers of Brighid add that into their concept of Brighid, or do they cast that bit off as being untrue to the original myths?  From a reconstructionist point of view, does that part of the lore get removed because it was brought with Christianity, or do people keep that as part of the mythos?
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« Reply #1: January 06, 2010, 09:32:46 pm »

My question is, do followers of Brighid add that into their concept of Brighid, or do they cast that bit off as being untrue to the original myths?  From a reconstructionist point of view, does that part of the lore get removed because it was brought with Christianity, or do people keep that as part of the mythos?

Interestingly, there's another thread today on the question of Brighid as foster-mother:  http://www.ecauldron.net/forum/index.php?topic=11116.msg189654#msg189654

The stories about Brighid as foster-mother come from the lore of Saint Brigid.  I'm not a recon, but, for me, these particular stories are pretty much irrelevant to the goddess Brighid.  I do believe that the saint is largely a syncretization of the goddess and that many of the saint's attributes and even some of her stories are largely based on characteristics and stories (which are now lost) about the goddess.  However, this particular story is so clearly Christian in origin that I, personally, don't really associate it with the goddess.

I do think that this story might have developed -- at least in part -- because of beliefs about some of the goddess's characteristics, such as Her connection with hearth and home and fertility.
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« Reply #2: January 06, 2010, 10:46:39 pm »

Interestingly, there's another thread today on the question of Brighid as foster-mother:  http://www.ecauldron.net/forum/index.php?topic=11116.msg189654#msg189654

Whoops.  My bad.  Although, after looking at the thread, it asks a slightly different question.  Thanks for pointing it out, though.

The stories about Brighid as foster-mother come from the lore of Saint Brigid.  I'm not a recon, but, for me, these particular stories are pretty much irrelevant to the goddess Brighid.  I do believe that the saint is largely a syncretization of the goddess and that many of the saint's attributes and even some of her stories are largely based on characteristics and stories (which are now lost) about the goddess.  However, this particular story is so clearly Christian in origin that I, personally, don't really associate it with the goddess.

Yeah, that makes sense.  It's clearer now.  Thanks!
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« Reply #3: January 06, 2010, 11:23:23 pm »

I was just reading through some prayers for Imbolc, and I noticed that they talk a lot about Brighid as Christ's foster mother.  It sort of brought up the question for me: how does that reconcile for people?  As in - from what I've read, she's a pre-Christian Celtic deity, and she was later also associated with being Christ's midwife.

My question is, do followers of Brighid add that into their concept of Brighid, or do they cast that bit off as being untrue to the original myths?  From a reconstructionist point of view, does that part of the lore get removed because it was brought with Christianity, or do people keep that as part of the mythos?

Fostering was a traditional practice in Ireland.  Children were placed with other families in order to learn how to do the day-to-day work (it is easier to teach other people's kids than your own). 

Who she is didn't need to change- just add a few stories to explain her relationship to the Christ and she came as a saint ready-made.
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« Reply #4: January 07, 2010, 02:09:28 am »

I do think that this story might have developed -- at least in part -- because of beliefs about some of the goddess's characteristics, such as Her connection with hearth and home and fertility.
Just speculating, she might have been responsible for issues conserning hospitality and fostering and thus came by that attribute.

Hospitality was also important in ancient Greece. In the Homeric epics it's something Zeus watches over, but he's not a foster father.
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« Reply #5: January 08, 2010, 02:39:38 am »

I was just reading through some prayers for Imbolc, and I noticed that they talk a lot about Brighid as Christ's foster mother.  It sort of brought up the question for me: how does that reconcile for people?  As in - from what I've read, she's a pre-Christian Celtic deity, and she was later also associated with being Christ's midwife.

My question is, do followers of Brighid add that into their concept of Brighid, or do they cast that bit off as being untrue to the original myths?  From a reconstructionist point of view, does that part of the lore get removed because it was brought with Christianity, or do people keep that as part of the mythos?
The goddess Brighid's Healer aspect could have been adopted for St. Brighid's role as the midwife for Christ.  As I think the lore of St. Brighid was largely taken from the goddess (St. Brighid's Fire was abolished for being a "pagan" practice, which is enough for me) I find the stories of St. Brighid worth looking at, at least.
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