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Author Topic: Supreme Court Opens Floodgates on Corporate Political Spending  (Read 9559 times)
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« Reply #15: March 22, 2010, 08:30:47 pm »

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Good article.  It should be required reading for SCOTUS.

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« Reply #16: January 23, 2011, 06:22:48 pm »



http://www.alternet.org/news/149620/vermont_is_gearing_up_to_strike_a_major_blow_to_corporate_personhood,_ban_it_statewide/


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In Vermont, state senator Virginia Lyons on Friday  presented an anti-corporate personhood resolution for passage in the Vermont legislature. The resolution, the first of its kind, proposes "an amendment to the United States Constitution ... which provides that corporations are not persons under the laws of the United States."  Sources in the state house say it has a good chance of passing. This same body of lawmakers, after all, once voted to impeach George W. Bush, and is known for its anti-corporate legislation. Last year the Vermont senate became the first state legislature to weigh in on the future of a nuclear power plant, voting to shut down a poison-leeching plant run by Entergy Inc. Lyons’ Senate voted 26-4 to do it, demonstrating the level of political will of the state’s politicians to stand up to corporate power.


A really bad idea for the members of the pagan community.
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« Reply #18: January 24, 2011, 11:01:18 am »


Why is this bad?
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« Reply #19: January 24, 2011, 11:05:59 am »

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those were supposed to be question marks, not smilies, cause I don't understand how it's bad for pagans.  It's not like we exactly have alot of  corporate peoples out there either.
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« Reply #20: January 24, 2011, 11:29:39 am »

those were supposed to be question marks, not smilies, cause I don't understand how it's bad for pagans.  It's not like we exactly have alot of  corporate peoples out there either.

I can only guess that if they can remove personhood from one thing, they can remove it from others and as a minority group, Pagans have the possibility of that happening to them.

I don't see that argument flying though, as there is a difference between a human and a business.
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« Reply #21: January 24, 2011, 12:03:39 pm »

I can only guess that if they can remove personhood from one thing, they can remove it from others and as a minority group, Pagans have the possibility of that happening to them.

I don't see that argument flying though, as there is a difference between a human and a business.

Close, but not quite.

The Citizen's United case revolved around wether the election restrictions were a compelling reason to void the 1st amendment protections of people with even the dissenters agreeing that corporations were people and thus coverered by the 1st amendment and presumably the bill of rights.

The way around corporate spending vs individual spending would be to revoke personhood for corporations. That would remove bill of rights protections from corporations. If there are no bill of rights protections for corporations, that means that the police would not need probable cause or a warrent to search a corporate site or seize records.

There are a number of pagan corporations, such as ADF, CoG, Hellenion and probably a slew more.  What all have in common is no office space outside of a individuals homes.  So, the homes of the officers and members of the board become open to searches without a warrent since those parts of the home used for the organization are not protected.

Also, removal of corporate personhood might also remove the limits of liability that are inherent in a corporation. Instead of the organization being sued, all the members could be sued as their own persons. 
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« Reply #22: January 24, 2011, 02:52:45 pm »


I don't think it is dire as you make it out to be.  Corporations still are independant economic entities.  Also, the private property will still be immune to illegal search and seizures.  Warrants will still have to be involved because it is impossible to only search corporate stuff without also likely searching someone's private stuff as well.
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