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Author Topic: Would I be right in saying nothing at all is required in Paganism?  (Read 20181 times)
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« Topic Start: March 14, 2010, 03:56:08 pm »

You can just be, so long as you identify with it, and just live your life as usual? I have studied it for some time, and of course I know a lot about it. I was formally Wiccan as well, though I decided that Eclectic Neopaganism was better for me. No ritual, meditation, Sabbts, spellwork is necessary right? I can just be Pagan because I'm attracted to it and feel Pagan? I love mythology, specifically Norse, and love to learn about the gods. I love nature, and love to be among it. Therefore it is fine for me to identify with Pagan right?

I do understand, however, that there are many paths in Paganism, and many do have dogma. I am simply referring to anyone who wishes to claim the label Pagan. Thanks!
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« Reply #1: March 14, 2010, 04:32:17 pm »

You can just be, so long as you identify with it, and just live your life as usual? I have studied it for some time, and of course I know a lot about it. I was formally Wiccan as well, though I decided that Eclectic Neopaganism was better for me. No ritual, meditation, Sabbts, spellwork is necessary right? I can just be Pagan because I'm attracted to it and feel Pagan? I love mythology, specifically Norse, and love to learn about the gods. I love nature, and love to be among it. Therefore it is fine for me to identify with Pagan right?

I do understand, however, that there are many paths in Paganism, and many do have dogma. I am simply referring to anyone who wishes to claim the label Pagan. Thanks!

For me, there's a level of personal responsibility involved that is heavier than the sense of responsibility I felt as a Christian. There's no cycle of guilt and forgiveness, only the knowledge that my actions have consequences and that everything I do, good, bad, or indifferent, is going to come back around to me eventually.

I would question whether the idea that nothing is required of you is really the best attitude to take in terms of spiritual growth. Maybe you're not following a path that has specific requirements, but what are you requiring of yourself? It bears considering, if you're on the path because you think it doesn't require anything, does it really take you anywhere? I'm not trying to bash your beliefs or anything--I just don't think that I personally would take anything  away from a religion that doesn't challenge me to become better and more than I currently am.
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« Reply #2: March 14, 2010, 04:52:15 pm »



Strictly speaking, there's nothing to stop you from claiming the label.  It's not like there are professional bodies.  However, if you don't plan on 'doing' anything different, what use will the label be to you?
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« Reply #3: March 14, 2010, 05:17:56 pm »

Strictly speaking, there's nothing to stop you from claiming the label.  It's not like there are professional bodies.  However, if you don't plan on 'doing' anything different, what use will the label be to you?
I agree. Pagan is such a broad term, so sure, I suppose nothing is "required" of you. A number of religions under the Pagan umbrella are more orthopraxic or specifically orthodoxic. But if it's a term you identify with and feel comfortable claiming, there's no one who can technically tell you you can't.

I guess it's kind of like people who claim they are Christian by default, although they never go to church, read the Bible, pray before meals, etc.
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« Reply #4: March 14, 2010, 05:31:04 pm »

You can just be, so long as you identify with it, and just live your life as usual? I have studied it for some time, and of course I know a lot about it. I was formally Wiccan as well, though I decided that Eclectic Neopaganism was better for me. No ritual, meditation, Sabbts, spellwork is necessary right? I can just be Pagan because I'm attracted to it and feel Pagan? I love mythology, specifically Norse, and love to learn about the gods. I love nature, and love to be among it. Therefore it is fine for me to identify with Pagan right?

I do understand, however, that there are many paths in Paganism, and many do have dogma. I am simply referring to anyone who wishes to claim the label Pagan. Thanks!

I don't think that Paganism is a belief system, therefore it has no tenets. It's an adjective that can be used to classify belief systems. At TC (at least) it does so on one negative (IS NOT Abrahamic) and one positive (DOES self-identify) discriminator. So, IMHO, using it says nothing about the content of your beliefs beyond those simple facts and is open to you if you find value in it. Like Everfool, I question the point if there's nothing in your belief system that equates to any of the assumptions that others are likely to make about your beliefs if you use it, but that doesn't mean you can't.
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« Reply #5: March 14, 2010, 07:32:46 pm »

You can just be, so long as you identify with it, and just live your life as usual? I have studied it for some time, and of course I know a lot about it. I was formally Wiccan as well, though I decided that Eclectic Neopaganism was better for me. No ritual, meditation, Sabbts, spellwork is necessary right? I can just be Pagan because I'm attracted to it and feel Pagan? I love mythology, specifically Norse, and love to learn about the gods. I love nature, and love to be among it. Therefore it is fine for me to identify with Pagan right?

I'm sorry, I don't understand how this is different from your previous question on the subject.  I refer you to my answer in the other thread you started:
http://www.ecauldron.net/forum/index.php?topic=12085.msg202466#msg202466

If you meant to ask something different, I hope you'll elaborate and tell us what the difference is.  If you started the thread with the intention of asking the exact same thing...  We'd really prefer you didn't do that, because it makes things really confusing when we have more than one thread on the same topic going at the same time.
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« Reply #6: March 15, 2010, 07:01:58 am »


Yup, just like I can say I'm a Hebrew National and a space cadet. As long as I want to slap a label on me that doesn't really apply, I can be whatever I want to be, right?

And this was the edited for niceness post.
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« Reply #7: March 15, 2010, 11:31:35 am »

You can just be, so long as you identify with it, and just live your life as usual? I have studied it for some time, and of course I know a lot about it. I was formally Wiccan as well, though I decided that Eclectic Neopaganism was better for me. No ritual, meditation, Sabbts, spellwork is necessary right? I can just be Pagan because I'm attracted to it and feel Pagan? I love mythology, specifically Norse, and love to learn about the gods. I love nature, and love to be among it. Therefore it is fine for me to identify with Pagan right?

I do understand, however, that there are many paths in Paganism, and many do have dogma. I am simply referring to anyone who wishes to claim the label Pagan. Thanks!

meh.......whatever. You can call yourself a moose, too.......not sure if it will have any more meaning for you.....
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« Reply #8: March 15, 2010, 02:08:41 pm »



And a sidenote: 3/4 of your posts in the last month are about the exact same topic. I know less friendly boards that would consider that spam.
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« Reply #9: March 15, 2010, 08:23:11 pm »

You can just be, so long as you identify with it, and just live your life as usual? I have studied it for some time, and of course I know a lot about it. I was formally Wiccan as well, though I decided that Eclectic Neopaganism was better for me. No ritual, meditation, Sabbts, spellwork is necessary right? I can just be Pagan because I'm attracted to it and feel Pagan? I love mythology, specifically Norse, and love to learn about the gods. I love nature, and love to be among it. Therefore it is fine for me to identify with Pagan right?

I do understand, however, that there are many paths in Paganism, and many do have dogma. I am simply referring to anyone who wishes to claim the label Pagan. Thanks!

Why? What's the point? "Pagan" may not require one follow any specific beliefs or practices, but it implies doing something. So you think paganism is all cool and stuff...doesn't really give you any grounds to call yourself that. I think quantum physics is interesting, I've read a book or two and I like to think about it on occasion. But I don't have a degree, don't work in the field, I didn't even take a basic physics course in high school- but I can call myself a physicist, right?

I might give you "I hold some pagan beliefs" but no...anymore, I have to say I'm getting rather tired of running into people who call themselves pagan, but don't actually do anything to constitute pagan. On one hand, I don't want to dictate what people can call themselves, but on the other hand, when you just want to call yourself "pagan" because you like the idea, you render the word absolutely meaningless and erode the credibility due to people who actually practice pagan religions. I'm finding it harder and harder to take a lot of pagans who actually bother to do something seriously as time goes on, nevermind those who just want to slap on a cool label.
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« Reply #10: March 18, 2010, 08:50:39 am »

You can just be, so long as you identify with it, and just live your life as usual? I have studied it for some time, and of course I know a lot about it. I was formally Wiccan as well, though I decided that Eclectic Neopaganism was better for me. No ritual, meditation, Sabbts, spellwork is necessary right? I can just be Pagan because I'm attracted to it and feel Pagan? I love mythology, specifically Norse, and love to learn about the gods. I love nature, and love to be among it. Therefore it is fine for me to identify with Pagan right?

I do understand, however, that there are many paths in Paganism, and many do have dogma. I am simply referring to anyone who wishes to claim the label Pagan. Thanks!

Ronald,

Any response to your question is going to depend on what you are actually looking for from other people.

If you are looking for some kind of Pagan authority or hierarchy to recognise your self-definition of 'nothing at all required' and acknowledge that ‘you too are Pagan’, then you have a lot of work ahead of you, I’m afraid. You are going to have to ask every single Pagan that you ‘meet’ because spiritual authority rests within and is autonomous to each and every Pagan. What is recognised as being Paganism is self-defined by each and every Pagan. The Religion of Wicca on the other hand does have known and shared consensus on what is and isn’t Wicca but then it is a documented modern religion. Paganism isn’t.

In the case of the personal authority/autonomy of this Pagan (me), if you want to claim the label, then I would suggest that you just stop dithering and do so. Or not.

If you are looking for a community where you are validated as ‘you too are Pagan’, then just claim the label and participate. Just try to stop looking through the eyes of others for your source of validation.

If you are looking for external approval for not doing anything specific other than just studying and hanging out in nature, again, it comes back to what each and every ‘other Pagan’ might think about this. Again in the case of this Pagan (me), my reaction would be, “And…the point is?” 

If you are opting out of even the generic celebratory calendar of modern Paganism (Sabbats) and are not interested in doing anything ritualistic or disciplined (meditation/spellwork), then what (spiritual) uses are you going to put your studies of myths and gods or that love of nature to (…your self-definition of being Pagan)?

What is that going to (eventually) translate into? A relationship to certain gods? Enacting those studied mythos within your own life to achieve spiritual epiphanies?  Interacting with, honouring, protecting, nurturing the natural world?

What makes you different (aka a Pagan) from all those non-Pagans out there in the world that love mythology and learning about gods and that love being in nature?

As I have pointed out over the decades to more than one book-taught newbie Pagan Witch, reading/studying/being attracted to witchcraft in itself doesn’t make anyone (into) a Witch. And if your definition of (Pagan) Witchcraft is nothing more than loving to watch the sunrise on a beach, then get your ass off the couch, your face out of that book on witchcraft and get sitting on that beach at dawn.

Figuring out what you are actually attracted to as ‘Pagan’ might also be a useful exercise right about now.

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« Reply #11: March 18, 2010, 10:17:25 am »

Why? What's the point? "Pagan" may not require one follow any specific beliefs or practices, but it implies doing something. So you think paganism is all cool and stuff...doesn't really give you any grounds to call yourself that. I think quantum physics is interesting, I've read a book or two and I like to think about it on occasion. But I don't have a degree, don't work in the field, I didn't even take a basic physics course in high school- but I can call myself a physicist, right?

I might give you "I hold some pagan beliefs" but no...anymore, I have to say I'm getting rather tired of running into people who call themselves pagan, but don't actually do anything to constitute pagan. On one hand, I don't want to dictate what people can call themselves, but on the other hand, when you just want to call yourself "pagan" because you like the idea, you render the word absolutely meaningless and erode the credibility due to people who actually practice pagan religions. I'm finding it harder and harder to take a lot of pagans who actually bother to do something seriously as time goes on, nevermind those who just want to slap on a cool label.

But...but... All the cool kids are doing it! Right?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #12: March 18, 2010, 12:57:03 pm »

Any response to your question is going to depend on what you are actually looking for from other people.

If it's for himself, sure, do whatever, if he wants external validation, he's very unlikely to find it in most places.

But...but... All the cool kids are doing it! Right?  Roll Eyes

Yeah, seriously. And we all sparkle, too.
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« Reply #13: March 18, 2010, 01:09:39 pm »



Yeah, seriously. And we all sparkle, too.

We sparkle?!?!?!?  I thought the light in the bedroom at night was from the neighbor's porch light!
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« Reply #14: March 18, 2010, 01:17:01 pm »

We sparkle?!?!?!?  I thought the light in the bedroom at night was from the neighbor's porch light!

No-it's our inner light of beauty....
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