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Author Topic: Is self-identification with Paganism what makes a Pagan?  (Read 14647 times)
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« Reply #45: June 29, 2010, 03:55:40 pm »

Technically in reply to Ellen, but really to most of the thread and this is just a convenient place to hang the question:  Do y'all draw a distinction between "validating" experiences and "understanding" them?

For me it's sort of six of one, half a dozen of the other. If I have what I think is a mystical experience, and I run with that, and then later I find out it was just wishful thinking, I feel really dumb. This has happened far too many times to me, so using logic not only to understand but also validate (insofar as it can) my mystical experiences has real appeal for me.

I mean, the mistakes are still valid experiences -- "they say that the truth will set you free, but then so will a lie" -- insofar as I learn from them (well, one would hope), but they're not valid as in 'they come from a mystical source' or 'they're really actually mystical'.

That was a lot clearer in my head; I hope it made sense.
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« Reply #46: June 29, 2010, 07:11:03 pm »

If you don't mind, I'd like to use your words as a standard to set myself by.

Not all mine, but have at it.  All hail King MissileWink

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« Reply #47: June 30, 2010, 02:33:10 am »

Not all mine, but have at it.  All hail King MissileWink

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« Reply #48: July 01, 2010, 10:13:05 am »

Technically in reply to Ellen, but really to most of the thread and this is just a convenient place to hang the question:  Do y'all draw a distinction between "validating" experiences and "understanding" them?

I ask because when Amber was talking about validation, I read that as...  sort of seeking self-approval, I guess, looking for a feeling of "it's OK for me to have this mystical experience, it's a valid experience".  When other people are responding to it, though, I get more of a feeling that validation is being interpreted as "I need to understand this experience and what it means or doesn't mean and why I might have had it, including any mundane and rational causes".  I definitely agree that the latter is a necessary process to go through with any experience (mystical or otherwise), but I'm not as sure about the former.  I'm not sure I exactly understand what would make an experience "valid"--or, rather, I'm not sure how I understand how an experience could be invalid.

My brainspace is a little crowded lately, though, and I know my thought processes are a little cloudy, so I wasn't sure if I was maybe reading one side or the other incorrectly, or if I'm just way out in left field here, or what.

Thank you Star. Glad someone got my point.

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