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« Topic Start: May 24, 2007, 11:36:15 pm »

Not that I'm one to be confused by big words, but I was describing my beliefs to somebody the other day and she replied, "Well if that's what you believe then you are Eclectic." I tilted my head a bit on that  Huh . I've considered myself agnostic for over a decade, yet I believe wisdom can be gained from all religions. Just when it comes to a question of the supernatural, that can neither be proven or disproven. So I went home, did some research, found there is a large Eclectic movement prodominately amoung pagans. This really suprised me, because I'm usually pushing Atheism, and, not to generalize, but pagan beliefs and atheist, at least by literal defination, is juxtaposed, as seen by the latter believing in no gods and the former many. So how can I be both? I am, at least philosophically, eclectic, though religiously I am agnostic. Therefore, using myself as an example, either Eclecticism is something all religions can find a home in or I'm in some sort of crossroads I have yet to understand.
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« Reply #1: May 25, 2007, 01:28:12 am »

Therefore, using myself as an example, either Eclecticism is something all religions can find a home in or I'm in some sort of crossroads I have yet to understand.

Why can't Eclecticism be something that all religions, or lack thereof, can find a home in? Why does it only have to be "for the Pagans"?
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« Reply #2: May 25, 2007, 02:18:27 am »

Why can't Eclecticism be something that all religions, or lack thereof, can find a home in? Why does it only have to be "for the Pagans"?

Well that's the way i feel about it too, its just Eclecticism seems to be a Pagan movement, I mean just check out any search on the net with the words "eclectic" and "religion", the vast majority mention "Pagan" in either the site name, url, or description.
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« Reply #3: May 25, 2007, 02:29:43 am »

Well that's the way i feel about it too, its just Eclecticism seems to be a Pagan movement, I mean just check out any search on the net with the words "eclectic" and "religion", the vast majority mention "Pagan" in either the site name, url, or description.

Perhaps because many Pagans ARE eclectic? I don't know.

What I DO know is why march to the beat of everybody else's drum when you can march to the beat of your own?  It probably sounds better anyway because you control the sounds, tempos and rhythm of it.  Wink Smiley
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« Reply #4: May 25, 2007, 02:37:58 am »

This really suprised me, because I'm usually pushing Atheism, and, not to generalize, but pagan beliefs and atheist, at least by literal defination, is juxtaposed, as seen by the latter believing in no gods and the former many.

There are actually many Pagan agnostics, and not a few Pagan atheists.  I think there's even a thread on it somewhere around here, but I'm not sure what board it's on.  Not all pagan paths are polytheistic; some view gods as archetypes and don't believe in deity qua deity.  Some have a deep spirituality that doesn't happen to include gods.  Some call themselves pagan because they believe in the paranormal, or magic, or certain philosophies that cause them to self-identify that way.

Humanity is eclectic.  Some segments have raised it to a high art, is all.

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« Reply #5: May 25, 2007, 08:55:24 am »

I think there's even a thread on it somewhere around here, but I'm not sure what board it's on. 

This one, maybe?:
http://www.ecauldron.net/forum/index.php?topic=84.0

(It's in one of the Full Member folders, so Regular Members will not be able to post replies.  But everyone should be able to see it.)
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« Reply #6: May 25, 2007, 09:01:26 am »

Not that I'm one to be confused by big words, but I was describing my beliefs to somebody the other day and she replied, "Well if that's what you believe then you are Eclectic." I tilted my head a bit on that  Huh . I've considered myself agnostic for over a decade, yet I believe wisdom can be gained from all religions. Just when it comes to a question of the supernatural, that can neither be proven or disproven. So I went home, did some research, found there is a large Eclectic movement prodominately amoung pagans. This really suprised me, because I'm usually pushing Atheism, and, not to generalize, but pagan beliefs and atheist, at least by literal defination, is juxtaposed, as seen by the latter believing in no gods and the former many. So how can I be both? I am, at least philosophically, eclectic, though religiously I am agnostic. Therefore, using myself as an example, either Eclecticism is something all religions can find a home in or I'm in some sort of crossroads I have yet to understand.

I personally don't think that it's a pagan thing, it's just that pagans seem to be a little more *aware* of the word, and the fact that they can apply it to themselves. I think there are a hell of a lot more
non-pagan eclectics out there than we think, they just haven't thought to apply that word to themselves.
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« Reply #7: May 25, 2007, 02:14:30 pm »

This one, maybe?:
http://www.ecauldron.net/forum/index.php?topic=84.0

(It's in one of the Full Member folders, so Regular Members will not be able to post replies.  But everyone should be able to see it.)

That's the one.  Thanks Star.

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« Reply #8: May 25, 2007, 02:52:31 pm »

Not that I'm one to be confused by big words, but I was describing my beliefs to somebody the other day and she replied, "Well if that's what you believe then you are Eclectic." I tilted my head a bit on that  Huh . I've considered myself agnostic for over a decade, yet I believe wisdom can be gained from all religions. Just when it comes to a question of the supernatural, that can neither be proven or disproven. So I went home, did some research, found there is a large Eclectic movement prodominately amoung pagans. This really suprised me, because I'm usually pushing Atheism, and, not to generalize, but pagan beliefs and atheist, at least by literal defination, is juxtaposed, as seen by the latter believing in no gods and the former many. So how can I be both? I am, at least philosophically, eclectic, though religiously I am agnostic. Therefore, using myself as an example, either Eclecticism is something all religions can find a home in or I'm in some sort of crossroads I have yet to understand.

I agree I suspect with those who say as Pagans we tend to be more aware of the concept of being eclectic, there are some any of us who cannot define ourselves any other way, it doesn't mean you have to be a pagan if you are eclectic.It merely means that you derive your ideas/belief/style etc from awide variety of sources.

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« Reply #9: May 25, 2007, 02:54:29 pm »

There are actually many Pagan agnostics, and not a few Pagan atheists.  I think there's even a thread on it somewhere around here, but I'm not sure what board it's on.  Not all pagan paths are polytheistic; some view gods as archetypes and don't believe in deity qua deity.  Some have a deep spirituality that doesn't happen to include gods.  Some call themselves pagan because they believe in the paranormal, or magic, or certain philosophies that cause them to self-identify that way.

Humanity is eclectic.  Some segments have raised it to a high art, is all.

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I have huge problems getting my head around the theological concept of being a pagan atheist  Undecided No one has so far managed to explain that one I will check the thread posted later see if someone does there.
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« Reply #10: May 25, 2007, 04:18:31 pm »

I have huge problems getting my head around the theological concept of being a pagan atheist  Undecided No one has so far managed to explain that one I will check the thread posted later see if someone does there.

What's the problem?  There's nothing about being paganism that requires belief in gods.  Individual pagan religions, sure, but paganism in general?  Nope.
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« Reply #11: May 25, 2007, 05:00:59 pm »

What I DO know is why march to the beat of everybody else's drum when you can march to the beat of your own?  It probably sounds better anyway because you control the sounds, tempos and rhythm of it.

No problem. I'm used to being a religious minority  Grin Seriously though, I have yet to meet an agnostic that with the same beliefs. Its not a very dogmatic religion, which I suspect is true of Paganism as well.

I personally don't think that it's a pagan thing, it's just that pagans seem to be a little more *aware* of the word, and the fact that they can apply it to themselves. I think there are a hell of a lot more
non-pagan eclectics out there than we think, they just haven't thought to apply that word to themselves.

Then I will be one of the first. There really isn't any other way to describe my beliefs accurately other than an Eclectic Agnostic. In ignorance admitedly, I was under the impression that being Eclectic in reference to religion was the Pagan equivelant to a Christian denomination, like Wiccan for example.

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« Reply #12: May 25, 2007, 05:06:27 pm »

Not that I'm one to be confused by big words, but I was describing my beliefs to somebody the other day and she replied, "Well if that's what you believe then you are Eclectic." I tilted my head a bit on that  Huh . I've considered myself agnostic for over a decade, yet I believe wisdom can be gained from all religions. Just when it comes to a question of the supernatural, that can neither be proven or disproven. So I went home, did some research, found there is a large Eclectic movement prodominately amoung pagans. This really suprised me, because I'm usually pushing Atheism, and, not to generalize, but pagan beliefs and atheist, at least by literal defination, is juxtaposed, as seen by the latter believing in no gods and the former many. So how can I be both? I am, at least philosophically, eclectic, though religiously I am agnostic. Therefore, using myself as an example, either Eclecticism is something all religions can find a home in or I'm in some sort of crossroads I have yet to understand.

My husband calls himself agnostic.  He shuns all religion because, by nature, he hates "joining" anything.  He only believes what he has "direct experience" with.  He does, however, believe in:

-the healing power of herbs, most alternative healing techniques, and the mind/body link.

-the collective conscious.  He says he's experienced info "dumping" through.  He says he has experienced a focus and fuller understanding of a situation when he's in it, but it fades quickly.  He acknowledges that it happens though.

Now, there are some other very new-age-type thoughts that he also embraces, but I won't bore you with a long list.  But I ask you:  isn't he an "agnostic eclectic?" 

I consider myself to be an eclectic wiccan, but I don't automatically buy the notion that "The Gods created Us."  It's only recently, since I started reading and thinking about the Hermetic Principle: The Mind is All: The Universe is Mental, that I've really begun to believe in a substantial reality underneath & in back of the reality that we know.  I'm still not betting the farm on it, but I'm starting to believe it. 

And believing in a substantial reality is a far cry from believing that we were created by Gods or by a God.  There are so many different levels of belief that almost anyone who embraces a belief in science could be called "eclectic" by someone.
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« Reply #13: May 25, 2007, 05:21:13 pm »

My husband calls himself agnostic.  He shuns all religion because, by nature, he hates "joining" anything.  He only believes what he has "direct experience" with.  He does, however, believe in:

-the healing power of herbs, most alternative healing techniques, and the mind/body link.

-the collective conscious.  He says he's experienced info "dumping" through.  He says he has experienced a focus and fuller understanding of a situation when he's in it, but it fades quickly.  He acknowledges that it happens though.

Now, there are some other very new-age-type thoughts that he also embraces, but I won't bore you with a long list.  But I ask you:  isn't he an "agnostic eclectic?" 

Agnostic yes. His attitude about organized religion and skepiticm in general is shared by many of us. Eclectic, if you believe so. But personally I believe in being an active eclectic you need to look at all religious beliefs, not just a few, which is one of the reasons I'm on this site, I want to learn more about Paganism, to broaden my horizens and find truth where I see it.
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« Reply #14: May 25, 2007, 06:12:37 pm »

I have huge problems getting my head around the theological concept of being a pagan atheist  Undecided No one has so far managed to explain that one I will check the thread posted later see if someone does there.

I've met a good number of Pagan atheists over the years. They don't believe that Gods actually exist -- at least not as Gods. They may believe they are human thought constructs created by the believe of a large number of people or that they are just names people give to parts of their own mind, etc.

Whatever the specific belief, in practice it generally works out to mean that while they do not believe deities exist, they believe that acting as if they do can produce useful results.
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