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« Topic Start: April 02, 2010, 09:16:39 pm »

Democrats should ‘seek urological care elsewhere,’ says notice on door

MOUNT DORA, Fla. - A central Florida urologist has posted a sign on his office door warning supporters of President Barack Obama to find a different doctor.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36152956?GT1=43001
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« Reply #1: April 02, 2010, 10:31:17 pm »

Democrats should ‘seek urological care elsewhere,’ says notice on door

MOUNT DORA, Fla. - A central Florida urologist has posted a sign on his office door warning supporters of President Barack Obama to find a different doctor.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36152956?GT1=43001

He really should have his liscense yanked for that.  The Doctor's office is not where you go for political discussions or events.  If he wants to do something outside the office that supports a political opinion, that is different.
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« Reply #2: April 02, 2010, 10:49:39 pm »

Democrats should ‘seek urological care elsewhere,’ says notice on door

MOUNT DORA, Fla. - A central Florida urologist has posted a sign on his office door warning supporters of President Barack Obama to find a different doctor.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36152956?GT1=43001

well. I hope he doesn't accept insurance payments in general, because, as it stands, despite how much the industry complains, this bill is a windfall for the insurance companies.
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« Reply #3: April 03, 2010, 12:51:30 am »

He really should have his liscense yanked for that.  The Doctor's office is not where you go for political discussions or events.  If he wants to do something outside the office that supports a political opinion, that is different.

It may be a little over the top but in the article it says he isn't quizzing patients or denying care. It is just something to grab attention really. If that is how he feels then that is his deal. He does have a right to free speech.

If people don't like it they can find a different doctor. I personally wouldn't care if my doctor posted a sign like that if my doctor was a good doctor. I would go anyway, I don't go to the doctor for politics and I can just ignore it if necessary.
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« Reply #4: April 03, 2010, 01:38:26 am »

It may be a little over the top but in the article it says he isn't quizzing patients or denying care. It is just something to grab attention really. If that is how he feels then that is his deal. He does have a right to free speech. 

I might be mistaken, but isn't the agency that grants/revokes liscenses not a government entity, thus Free Speech is a non-issue.  On an Ethics level, he creates a hostile environment that seeks to exclude care to people or create the illusion that certain people would get sub-standard care.  I believe that is very much against the code a doctor swears to in order to get thier ability to practice medicine.

At the very least, an Obama supporter would have a much easier time getting a judgement for medical malpractice if anything went wrong.

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If people don't like it they can find a different doctor. I personally wouldn't care if my doctor posted a sign like that if my doctor was a good doctor. I would go anyway, I don't go to the doctor for politics and I can just ignore it if necessary.

To me, it's the same as a doctor posting a sign on his door that if you're black, go somewhere else for treatment.
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« Reply #5: April 03, 2010, 01:46:17 am »

  I believe that is very much against the code a doctor swears to in order to get thier ability to practice medicine.

I was right...From the physician's oath:

"I will not permit considerations of religion, nationality, race, party politics or social standing to intervene between my duty and my patient; "

From http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/geneva/

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« Reply #6: April 03, 2010, 02:03:36 am »

He really should have his liscense yanked for that.  The Doctor's office is not where you go for political discussions or events.  If he wants to do something outside the office that supports a political opinion, that is different.

I thought that you would get your licence revoked if you tried to take your political views to this level? Having an opinion is one thing, but a Dr is oath bound to help anyone, no matter what.
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« Reply #7: April 03, 2010, 08:08:16 am »

MOUNT DORA, Fla. - A central Florida urologist has posted a sign on his office door warning supporters of President Barack Obama to find a different doctor.

This guy is sounds like he's annoying in general. His party's Political literature in the waiting room?
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« Reply #8: April 03, 2010, 08:23:18 am »

I might be mistaken, but isn't the agency that grants/revokes liscenses not a government entity, thus Free Speech is a non-issue.  On an Ethics level, he creates a hostile environment that seeks to exclude care to people or create the illusion that certain people would get sub-standard care.  I believe that is very much against the code a doctor swears to in order to get thier ability to practice medicine.

At the very least, an Obama supporter would have a much easier time getting a judgement for medical malpractice if anything went wrong.

To me, it's the same as a doctor posting a sign on his door that if you're black, go somewhere else for treatment.

Doctors are licensed by individual states, not private political organizations (aka AMA). So free speech does apply.

As for you other link, do US doctors actually use that oath? or do they use the Hippocratic Oath?
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« Reply #9: April 03, 2010, 11:45:29 am »

Doctors are licensed by individual states, not private political organizations (aka AMA). So free speech does apply.

As for you other link, do US doctors actually use that oath? or do they use the Hippocratic Oath?

I believe some schools use no oath, and some schools use their own oath, an occasional one uses the hippocratic oath, and probably some use the world one linked to.  In the US, there is no oath requirement overall.  I'll see if I can find a better link than the original one I found this listing in.
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« Reply #10: April 03, 2010, 05:47:37 pm »

I believe some schools use no oath, and some schools use their own oath, an occasional one uses the hippocratic oath, and probably some use the world one linked to.  In the US, there is no oath requirement overall.  I'll see if I can find a better link than the original one I found this listing in.

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« Reply #11: April 04, 2010, 12:56:02 am »

I was right...From the physician's oath:

"I will not permit considerations of religion, nationality, race, party politics or social standing to intervene between my duty and my patient; "

From http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/geneva/




He isn't grilling patients on their political preferences, the article said it. now if he did actually deny care based on politics that would be one thing, but putting a sign up? He didn't actually do anything wrong. Now if he did deny care to someone based on who they voted for then he should be in trouble.

it doesn't sound like he is a nice guy or anything, but he didn't actually do anything wrong, he's just obnoxious.
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« Reply #12: April 04, 2010, 01:25:55 am »


He isn't grilling patients on their political preferences, the article said it. now if he did actually deny care based on politics that would be one thing, but putting a sign up? He didn't actually do anything wrong. Now if he did deny care to someone based on who they voted for then he should be in trouble.

it doesn't sound like he is a nice guy or anything, but he didn't actually do anything wrong, he's just obnoxious.

The issue is that if you need his services and (especially) if he is the only choice for his specialty available to you (For insurance or geographical reasons, etc) if you don't agree with his political views can you feel entirely comfortable that you would get the best care available to you there?  That right there violates the oath.
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He isn't grilling patients on their political preferences, the article said it. now if he did actually deny care based on politics that would be one thing, but putting a sign up? He didn't actually do anything wrong. Now if he did deny care to someone based on who they voted for then he should be in trouble.

it doesn't sound like he is a nice guy or anything, but he didn't actually do anything wrong, he's just obnoxious.

He put up a sign turning away people based on how they voted.  Regardless of what he does when people set their foot inside the door, people are going to take that poster at face value.  So for all intents and purposes, he has already denied service to people based on politics.
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« Reply #14: April 04, 2010, 02:53:58 pm »

The issue is that if you need his services and (especially) if he is the only choice for his specialty available to you (For insurance or geographical reasons, etc) if you don't agree with his political views can you feel entirely comfortable that you would get the best care available to you there?  That right there violates the oath.

I don't know that it would bother me. Maybe it is just me though. I suppose if enough people did feel that way it would violate the oath.
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