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« Reply #15: May 29, 2007, 08:41:09 pm »

Gwyddoniad.org? I need to overhaul that site. Poor thing. LOL

Yes, update it - maybe then I can glean more from it! *poke, prod* Grin
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« Reply #16: May 29, 2007, 08:43:22 pm »

Yes, update it - maybe then I can glean more from it! *poke, prod* Grin

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« Reply #17: May 29, 2007, 09:12:44 pm »


Well, as I thought, my library only had the first of those three books... So bleh to them. Undecided I've done a search on Myrddin and nothing comes up, so I'm blocked there. I also did a search for every version of 'Celtic myth' I could think of with no results. So, I guess I'm stuck on the library for a while. I'll just settle down with my one book and finish it before I worry about it too much.

Thanks for the help, I'm off to ponder where else I can find reliable resources...
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« Reply #18: May 29, 2007, 10:34:51 pm »

I've begun research into Myrddin, and all I've really managed to find via my Googling is related to the myth of the man Myrddin, Merlin the sorcerer, and the naming conventions that say Myrddin is/was/was made up from a place's name, rather than being a real man.

What I'm looking for is the *god* Myrddin, and I know from past experience that unless I have a specific book I'm looking for, my library will be of no help (and even when I have a title, it's unlikely I can get it). And what little I *have* found online is a general listing of his 'associations', like forests, crystals, and all that. Which is fine and good, but I need more than a list of words! Undecided

So I'm at a loss - it seems Myrddin is rather an unknown god, or at least one who's not usually talked about. I have no idea where else I can find information on the actual god. Does anyone have a clue where I can start looking again?

Added: For reference, Myrddin is a Celtic god IIRC. I just realized I didn't say that! Embarrassed

Well, the first thing that comes to my mind is Nicholai Tolstoy's The Quest for Merlin, which explores Merlin the man and myth, and equates Merlin of Arthurian legend with Myrddin.  An interesting and good read; you might give it a try.
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« Reply #19: May 29, 2007, 10:38:57 pm »

I agree, it's a good resource. In our tradition, though, the two aren't related. They're similar. But not related - not that I've been able to find any definitive ties.
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« Reply #20: May 30, 2007, 01:46:24 am »

Well, the first thing that comes to my mind is Nicholai Tolstoy's The Quest for Merlin, which explores Merlin the man and myth, and equates Merlin of Arthurian legend with Myrddin.  An interesting and good read; you might give it a try.
It's pretty much of the "monomyth" school of thought (though with a much narrower focus than most such, which makes its postulates more feasible), but if one ignores that part, and thinks of it as a compendium of bits of myth and lore that might or might not be connected, it's quite useful.  It's also an enjoyable reading experience (oddly, N. Tolstoi wrote some Arthurian fiction at about the same time, and IMO it's a much more dull, dry, and confusing read  Huh).

"Monomyth salt":  a useful item in any Pagan's toolbox, as there are quite a few books that are good resources if and only if taken with a grain of it.

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« Reply #21: May 30, 2007, 07:35:13 am »

I agree, it's a good resource. In our tradition, though, the two aren't related. They're similar. But not related - not that I've been able to find any definitive ties.

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« Reply #22: May 30, 2007, 01:14:48 pm »


(I think that's ok, I've seen others do it around the forum, and this isn't really a reply to Shadow...)

The one thing that's worrying me while I research Myrddin is that I'll loose sight of the actual god I'm interacting with. I did that about a year ago when I became convinced that Freyr was who was tapping me on the shoulder, and the connection all but dropped. Has anyone else ever had this happen, or something similar? Or maybe someone has suggestions on how to not get lost in research? I'm starting with conversations and rereading what I've written up on what I *know* about my god (who is happily being called Shad right now, lol), but even Shad's patience has a limit. I'd really rather not test that limit. Lips sealed

Thanks everyone for the resources, I think I'll be quite busy for a while now! Wink
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« Reply #23: May 30, 2007, 01:17:34 pm »


Maybe pop this up on the Bard's folder at the Gwyddon board?
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« Reply #24: May 30, 2007, 01:31:17 pm »

(I think that's ok, I've seen others do it around the forum, and this isn't really a reply to Shadow...)

It's fine.  Smiley  A very general reply to the whole thread like this, though, is one of the few places where it would be OK not to quote at all.  (Though you'd probably want to include something to indicate that it's to everyone just to be sure we all get that it is.  Cheesy )

The way you did it is fine, too, just trying to clarify the rule for you and anyone else who might be wondering.  Wink
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« Reply #25: May 30, 2007, 02:39:47 pm »

It's pretty much of the "monomyth" school of thought (though with a much narrower focus than most such, which makes its postulates more feasible), but if one ignores that part, and thinks of it as a compendium of bits of myth and lore that might or might not be connected, it's quite useful.  It's also an enjoyable reading experience (oddly, N. Tolstoi wrote some Arthurian fiction at about the same time, and IMO it's a much more dull, dry, and confusing read  Huh).

"Monomyth salt":  a useful item in any Pagan's toolbox, as there are quite a few books that are good resources if and only if taken with a grain of it.

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I hadn't read any of his fiction, but I did find this very enjoyable.  And it's true about the "monomyth salt" box that pagans should probably carry around--but despite everything I've heard against Campbell, he still has a place in my heart because he's the one who really introduced me to everything mythic.  He was my starting point and I still enjoy reading his works.  And the monomyth argument has its uses I think, particularly for psychology, and also, like in the above source, it makes a nice and neat pattern for the reader to wrap his head around. 

Despite these uses though, I still think that stories and myths are far too complicated and wonderful to be pigeon-holed into one single story.  Wink
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« Reply #26: May 30, 2007, 04:05:49 pm »

It's fine.  Smiley  A very general reply to the whole thread like this, though, is one of the few places where it would be OK not to quote at all.  (Though you'd probably want to include something to indicate that it's to everyone just to be sure we all get that it is.  Cheesy )

The way you did it is fine, too, just trying to clarify the rule for you and anyone else who might be wondering.  Wink

Ok, thanks Star! Smiley
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« Reply #27: May 31, 2007, 02:39:54 pm »

And it's true about the "monomyth salt" box that pagans should probably carry around--but despite everything I've heard against Campbell, he still has a place in my heart because he's the one who really introduced me to everything mythic.  He was my starting point and I still enjoy reading his works.  And the monomyth argument has its uses I think, particularly for psychology, and also, like in the above source, it makes a nice and neat pattern for the reader to wrap his head around. 
Exactly - hence the salt, instead of just steering clear of the monomythologists.

(Hey, I have a theory:  Campbell, Frazer, et al, aren't individuals; they're just manifestations of The Monomythologist With a Thousand Faces!  Grin )

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« Reply #28: May 31, 2007, 04:16:55 pm »

Exactly - hence the salt, instead of just steering clear of the monomythologists.

(Hey, I have a theory:  Campbell, Frazer, et al, aren't individuals; they're just manifestations of The Monomythologist With a Thousand Faces!  Grin )

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ROFLMAO...oh that is good!
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« Reply #29: May 31, 2007, 05:28:21 pm »

(Hey, I have a theory:  Campbell, Frazer, et al, aren't individuals; they're just manifestations of The Monomythologist With a Thousand Faces!  Grin )

LOL!  Too funny!  Cheesy
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