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« Topic Start: April 17, 2010, 02:42:15 pm »


Arizona to allow concealed weapons without permit

PHOENIX – Favoring the constitutional right to bear arms over others' concerns about gun safety, Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed into law a bill making Arizona the third state allowing people to carry a concealed weapon without requiring a permit.

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« Reply #1: April 17, 2010, 02:47:09 pm »

...making Arizona the third state allowing people to carry a concealed weapon without requiring a permit...

My response to the title was WTF??? My response to the fact it's the third state to do so was... perhaps it's time to reconsider moving back to the US.
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« Reply #2: April 17, 2010, 02:52:27 pm »

My response to the title was WTF??? My response to the fact it's the third state to do so was... perhaps it's time to reconsider moving back to the US.

Might I suggest somewhere in Europe?  I've personally began (again) reconsidering living in the US recently.
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« Reply #3: April 17, 2010, 02:57:40 pm »

Arizona to allow concealed weapons without permit

PHOENIX – Favoring the constitutional right to bear arms over others' concerns about gun safety, Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed into law a bill making Arizona the third state allowing people to carry a concealed weapon without requiring a permit.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100416/ap_on_re_us/us_xgr_concealed_weapons_arizona

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It needs more guns for sure. Roll Eyes

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« Reply #4: April 17, 2010, 03:19:52 pm »

Arizona to allow concealed weapons without permit

I can't get it quite straight in my head. You cannot have a nail clipper and they only just refrained from banning shoe strings on airplanes for matters of public safety because anything might be used as a weapon, but walking the streets with gun, without a permit, is no problem?  (And it's not as if guns have never been used to cause problems outside airplanes or something.)
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« Reply #5: April 17, 2010, 05:26:24 pm »

PHOENIX – Favoring the constitutional right to bear arms over others' concerns about gun safety, Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed into law a bill making Arizona the third state allowing people to carry a concealed weapon without requiring a permit.

It's really not that surprising, it is very easy to qualify for a permit is states that require them. Note that I think it is stupid not to require the permit as the classes generally teach weapon safety which is something a surprising number of gun owners seem not know less than they should.
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« Reply #6: April 17, 2010, 06:16:53 pm »

It's really not that surprising, it is very easy to qualify for a permit is states that require them. Note that I think it is stupid not to require the permit as the classes generally teach weapon safety which is something a surprising number of gun owners seem not know less than they should.

I agree with the gun safety statement. Personally I think everyone who wants to purchase a gun should be able to show that they know how to handle them properly first. There are still states that allow open carry (not sure if Arizona is one, but the Deputy I've talked with told me Oregon is). This means that I can wear my .357 on my hip for everyone to see while walking down the street if I wanted to do so. I would probably be stopped by every cop in town, and asked why I was carrying. That wouldn't be worth the hassle, but is still within my rights. Smiley

There are people right now who carry concealed weapons without a permit. Granted they aren't law abiding citizens, but it's still going on. IMO, the impression that since people in Arizona don't need a permit anymore, that there will be a huge increase of people carrying weapons seems flawed. *shrug*

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« Reply #7: April 17, 2010, 09:17:03 pm »

I can't get it quite straight in my head. You cannot have a nail clipper and they only just refrained from banning shoe strings on airplanes for matters of public safety because anything might be used as a weapon, but walking the streets with gun, without a permit, is no problem?  (And it's not as if guns have never been used to cause problems outside airplanes or something.)
Amazing.


Exactly. I can never quite comprehend it either. There is also the fact that these kinds of actions have consequences for others, including those that live in other countries. F'ex Canada, where the majority of illegal guns comes from the U.S., not within our own country. This just makes it all the more easier for someone to get a hold of guns and ship them north to gangs that will pay for them.

I really don't get why this is a Good Idea, or why getting a permit is such a Bad Idea. If you don't know how to use a gun properly, you shouldn't own one in the first place.
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« Reply #8: April 17, 2010, 09:35:03 pm »

There are still states that allow open carry (not sure if Arizona is one, but the Deputy I've talked with told me Oregon is). This means that I can wear my .357 on my hip for everyone to see while walking down the street if I wanted to do so.

Arizona is one of them.  In fact, there were people who carried their firearms to a presidential event here last year - just to show that they could.  Now, I'm all for exercising one's civil rights, but that just seems like a BAD plan.  All you need is one twitchy secret service agent and all hell breaks loose.

Now, imagine if those guns had been concealed.

In case anyone failed to notice the "south" in "southwest."
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« Reply #9: April 17, 2010, 10:25:55 pm »


You will also note that states that allow open carry or unencumbered concealed carry have the lowest crime rates.  Places that attempt to ban firearms (Chicago, Washington DC) usually have the highest rates of violent and firearms-related crime.  Primary reason?  Most criminals are predators.  Their job is to attack and get what they need.  What they don't need is injury or death, so if they have reason to believe a prospective victim might be armed, that person is routinely re-classified as ineligible for victimhood, and the bad guy looks elsewhere.   

It's the reason we have mass school shootings but not mass sporting goods stores shootings:  schools are supposed to be "gun free zones."  All that means is that they will be legally owned and carried gun free.   Criminals don't obey the rules; that's pretty much the definition.

It's the same logic re burglars and loud obnoxious barking dogs.  The dog may not actually be willing to bite, and maybe no one hearing the barking will dial 911... but does the bad guy want to bet the odds...?  He'll pick another house, and the "guard" dog has done his job.



Open carry is legal in AZ:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9A4SU8G1&show_article=1

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« Reply #10: April 17, 2010, 10:45:04 pm »

You will also note that states that allow open carry or unencumbered concealed carry have the lowest crime rates.  Places that attempt to ban firearms (Chicago, Washington DC) usually have the highest rates of violent and firearms-related crime.  Primary reason?  Most criminals are predators.  Their job is to attack and get what they need.  What they don't need is injury or death, so if they have reason to believe a prospective victim might be armed, that person is routinely re-classified as ineligible for victimhood, and the bad guy looks elsewhere.   



My issue isn't so much with the concealed carry part, but with the "no permit" part.

I'm not a 2nd Amendment nut, so I rarely get buttons pushed on the issue, but having "no permit" strikes me as incredibly stupid. Then again, IIRC, some place in Arizona was going to allow gun into bars and that's taking stupid to a whole new level.

And, frankly, I've never bought into the whole "school shooting because it's a gun free zone." I've read that crap from Ted Nugent when he was "writing" a column for our local paper, and he's about as coherent on it as anyone else advocating guns everywhere, unrestricted, all the time. And I'll give you a hint here, Ted Nugent and the word "coherent" really shouldn't be used in the same sentence.

My personal take on it is that the vast majority of people clamoring for unrestricted gun rights are suffering from some pretty heavy delusions. There seems to be this idea that the person who is carrying a gun will go out and save a dozen people without breaking a sweat. That works well in Hollywood, but I just don't think these people are all John Wayne.

(Also, do you have a source to back up the part about the states and open carry? I ask because you state that but then go on to tie it to specific cities.)
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« Reply #11: April 18, 2010, 02:43:44 am »

In case anyone failed to notice the "south" in "southwest."

The other two states are Alaska and Vermont.  What I fail to notice is what the "south" comment has to do with anything.
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« Reply #12: April 18, 2010, 08:38:00 am »



Now, imagine if those guns had been concealed.



Something like the outside scene in Miss COngeniality, except instead of being a pretty unarmed woman in a fancy costume, the person taking down the guy with the now discovered concealed weapon would be an armed secret service officer?
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« Reply #13: April 18, 2010, 01:04:06 pm »

The other two states are Alaska and Vermont.  What I fail to notice is what the "south" comment has to do with anything.

The people of the South are often stereotyped as being big gun nuts.  As someone who lives in the South, I can verify this.
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« Reply #14: April 18, 2010, 02:31:26 pm »

The people of the South are often stereotyped as being big gun nuts.  As someone who lives in the South, I can verify this.

You can confirm the  existence of the stereotype or you can confirm the truth of the stereotype?
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