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« Reply #30: May 28, 2007, 10:52:06 pm »

I don't think it's entirely fair to say that "traditional" people aren't going to make a change in religion.  I consider myself to be fairly traditional. 

I did not say they would not, only that they are less likely to do so (simply because it isn't traditional) and since Pagan religions are still mainly converts, you are going to likely find fewer truly traditional people in them.
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« Reply #31: May 29, 2007, 01:25:47 pm »

Let me guess, only the yuppies can afford it?

You got it. 20 years ago, you could rent a studio apt in my neighborhood (it inspired the musical "Rent") for $600-$700/month--tiny and run-down, but hey.

The same place today starts at $1,500-$1,700.

(I know all of NYC isn't all high-priced, but that's the first thing I think of when I think of housing and NYC -- you have to be well off to afford to live there. Apologies.)

None necessary. All NYC housing isn't high-priced, but virtually all of Manhattan is. It's becoming the Island of the Rich People, which isn't what many of us signed up for...and the prices are forcing many to leave for the outer boroughs (Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx, and Staten Island) that compose the rest of the city, which is driving up prices there now too.

It's routine for New Yorkers to spend 50% of their monthly budget on housing. And yet we have the lowest home ownership rate of anywhere in the country (33% in the latest figures--and that's *high* for us, the highest ever, in fact).

Diversity is the main thing I miss about my old neighborhood in San Antonio. Whites, Hispanics, Blacks, military, former military, the head of the Bexar county Socialist Workers Party, the youth minister of a large black peace church, the owner of one of the city's largest Heating/AC/Plumbing companies, etc. A good mix of people and views.

We still have that in my neighborhood (minus the military), but it's in jeopardy.
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« Reply #32: May 29, 2007, 01:35:10 pm »

Um, possibly they'd see this as a bonus... less sunscreen needed to maintain the pallor?   Cheesy
(and to my goth friends... love you guys, pallor and all). 

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« Reply #33: May 29, 2007, 01:43:00 pm »

Oh, I *like* you!

Okay, now I *really* like you!

(Don't worry, I'm gay, so it's not a perv sort of thing)

Oh, I wasn't worried about that. Heh.

Now, is it my love of disco or of comic books that makes me so loveable?

Just for me, being pagan doesn't include tatooes, strange colored hair, or multiple piercings.  I think the most "pagan" shirt I own is a Harry Potter shirt.  I don't consider that to be a sign that I'm pagan, just that I like Harry Potter. 

If Harry Potter is pagan I am SO converting to Catholicism.

But you're totally right about not all freaks being pagan. In fact, the vast majority of freaky people I know are not pagan but are usually atheists or agnostic.

(And on the tattoos are haircolour... I don't think the two always have much to do with a person's religion or the advertising of such. I mean, my decision to dye my hair has nothing to do with spirituality and everything to do with vanity. My tattoos likewise aren't a walking advert for my faith. Yes, some of them have spiritual and magicla meaning to me, but I doubt you could guess that by looking at them.)
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« Reply #34: May 29, 2007, 05:45:37 pm »

You got it. 20 years ago, you could rent a studio apt in my neighborhood (it inspired the musical "Rent") for $600-$700/month--tiny and run-down, but hey.

The same place today starts at $1,500-$1,700.

::very boggled look just before he faints:: Egads. That's scary, considering we pay $700 a month for a 1600 sq foot house.

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We still have that in my neighborhood (minus the military), but it's in jeopardy.

San Antonio is has several military bases so it has a lot of military and retired military. Of course, my old neighborhood was only a mile or so from the north edge of Fort Sam Houston so it naturally was home to a good number of army people.
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« Reply #35: May 29, 2007, 07:56:16 pm »

::very boggled look just before he faints:: Egads. That's scary, considering we pay $700 a month for a 1600 sq foot house.

As in seven hundred U.S. dollars?  For an entire house?   Shocked

When I get home, I have to get out of the Northeast.
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« Reply #36: May 29, 2007, 08:10:00 pm »

As in seven hundred U.S. dollars?  For an entire house?   Shocked

When I get home, I have to get out of the Northeast.

We paid $650, I think, for about 1000 square feet at the last place we rented.  A whole house.  Smiley  Though an older house without washer/dryer hookups and with several, ah, quirks.  Tongue  Our mortgage right now is $815/month and I think our house is...  1300 square feet, maybe?  Three bedrooms (one really small), two bathrooms, living room, kitchen/dining area, garage, laundry, and a relatively small lot.
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« Reply #37: May 29, 2007, 08:16:08 pm »

We paid $650, I think, for about 1000 square feet at the last place we rented.  A whole house.  Smiley  Though an older house without washer/dryer hookups and with several, ah, quirks.  Tongue  Our mortgage right now is $815/month and I think our house is...  1300 square feet, maybe?  Three bedrooms (one really small), two bathrooms, living room, kitchen/dining area, garage, laundry, and a relatively small lot.

Wow.  I almost rented a house once, with a few college friends.  It sounds like it was about the same size as your house, 3 beds etc.  It was a few towns outside of Boston, not convenient to the subway, and $2100 per month.  That was the listed price, not the inflated-for-students price.  Tongue
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« Reply #38: May 29, 2007, 10:36:14 pm »

As in seven hundred U.S. dollars?  For an entire house?   Shocked

Monthly rent, yes. Note that it's an older house in a small city. Rent would be higher in San Antonio, Dallas or the like. Heck, south of San Antonio, you can rent a small ranch for a few hundred a month provided you are willing to take care of a small number of livestock -- just enough for the owner to be able to get the much lower Ag tax rate.
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« Reply #39: May 29, 2007, 10:53:02 pm »

Monthly rent, yes. Note that it's an older house in a small city. Rent would be higher in San Antonio, Dallas or the like. Heck, south of San Antonio, you can rent a small ranch for a few hundred a month provided you are willing to take care of a small number of livestock -- just enough for the owner to be able to get the much lower Ag tax rate.

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« Reply #40: May 30, 2007, 12:13:54 am »

You got it. 20 years ago, you could rent a studio apt in my neighborhood (it inspired the musical "Rent") for $600-$700/month--tiny and run-down, but hey.

The same place today starts at $1,500-$1,700.
Hmm... I sense a connection there.  Not that it wouldn't be higher anyway (20 years?  hell yeah), but there's nothing like having pop-culture exposure to make a neighborhood look a couple hundred bucks more glamorous/romantic.

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« Reply #41: May 30, 2007, 12:17:42 am »

Monthly rent, yes. Note that it's an older house in a small city. Rent would be higher in San Antonio, Dallas or the like.

*sigh*  Yes, true, it's all in the location.  It's pretty much my own fault that I have to live in high-rent places, since I didn't bother getting that driver's license.

Heck, south of San Antonio, you can rent a small ranch for a few hundred a month provided you are willing to take care of a small number of livestock -- just enough for the owner to be able to get the much lower Ag tax rate.

Livestock!?  And I hate just shoveling out my porch.  I guess city girls will just have to pay city rents.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #42: June 01, 2007, 06:30:06 pm »

Hmm... I sense a connection there.  Not that it wouldn't be higher anyway (20 years?  hell yeah), but there's nothing like having pop-culture exposure to make a neighborhood look a couple hundred bucks more glamorous/romantic.

That's not a bad guess, based on the info as it's been seen here, but that's not the situation. By the time "Rent" came out, the gentrification process here was already well under way.

It's got more to do with the housing shortage in NYC, the drop in crime that used to plague these streets in particular, and the rehabilitation of a major park in the heart of the neighborhood--after the police staged a riot there--that used to be a homeless people's tent park.

Since we started talking about this, a condo apartment a few blocks away from me, on a street where I used to live, just sold for $10 million! That block has always been well maintained and pretty, but all the blocks around it used to be the equivalent of downturn Beirut. That people are paying those prices in this neighborhood today is staggering.
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« Reply #43: June 01, 2007, 08:47:20 pm »

As in seven hundred U.S. dollars?  For an entire house?   Shocked

When I get home, I have to get out of the Northeast.

Welllllll I thought my payments of around 1000-1100 for a 16x76 trailor and 4.5 acres of land in the middle of nowhere in Arkansas was a bad price!
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« Reply #44: June 02, 2007, 12:05:29 am »

That's not a bad guess, based on the info as it's been seen here, but that's not the situation. By the time "Rent" came out, the gentrification process here was already well under way.
That was a hard one to phrase well, since anything I might include about other factors (other than the obvious one about timespan) would be guessing with little info (most of what I know about NYC in 2007, I get from L&O and CSI: NY - or from you and other Cauldronites).  But I didn't mean to imply that was the sole or main cause, just that it didn't help matters any.  Given the additional info you provided, I'd guess that either "Rent"'s effects were an unnoticeable drop in the ocean, or that it sped up a process that was already inevitable.

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