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« Topic Start: May 13, 2010, 03:46:59 am »

I'm interested in magic, and I have to learn a lot about it. When you google "spells", you'll find bunches of sites with information. But I think a lot is just for "fun" and people who just want attention, and who are not serious about it. For example: http://www.spellsandmagic.com/spells.html When I see this typical red and black layout I think it's not serious, I can't help it. Like at the ecauldron: here's a serene layout so I'm sure it's about content, not about something else.
Anyway, I was wondering how does spells work. Most spells I've seen rhyme. I think their really pretty, they sound good and leave a very good impression. But I'm not quite sure why people use them or how they work? Does it work like a self for-filling prophecy? Like you cast a spell, you live towards your goal, so you achieve it? Or does it works otherwise?
Is it true there is something like black, white and gray magic, like the site says? Or is it just bullshit?

Another question is magic and magick the same or does it also have distinct meanings?
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« Reply #1: May 13, 2010, 08:00:58 am »

Anyway, I was wondering how does spells work. Most spells I've seen rhyme. I think their really pretty, they sound good and leave a very good impression. But I'm not quite sure why people use them or how they work? Does it work like a self for-filling prophecy? Like you cast a spell, you live towards your goal, so you achieve it? Or does it works otherwise?

Some people believe they don't work at all. Others believe that they change the person casting them to somehow make the results more likely. Others believe they directly cause changes in the world, person subtle changes, that lead to the desired result. Yet others believe that they are just another form of prayer to deities.

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Is it true there is something like black, white and gray magic, like the site says? Or is it just bullshit?

Personally, I think this question makes no more sense than "Are there black, white, and gray forms electricity where black electricity causes great harm, white electricity causes no harm every, and gray electricity does good generally but sometimes hurts in doing so. IMHO, magic is just a tool. A tool that can be used to do good or evil. But like a hammer can be used to build a house or bash in someone's head so you can steal their money, the good oir evil comes from the users, not from the tool.

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Another question is magic and magick the same or does it also have distinct meanings?

Just alternate spellings.
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« Reply #2: May 13, 2010, 11:00:06 am »

Another question is magic and magick the same or does it also have distinct meanings?

Some people use "magic" to indicate stage magic (birthday entertainment, what have you) while "magick" indicates actual spell work.
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« Reply #3: May 15, 2010, 04:50:07 pm »

Some people believe they don't work at all. Others believe that they change the person casting them to somehow make the results more likely. Others believe they directly cause changes in the world, person subtle changes, that lead to the desired result. Yet others believe that they are just another form of prayer to deities.

I think it's all in how you frame the spell. I find that when you work magic for what you actually need (as opposed to what you might just want) it happens. Whether that's because the Gods give it to us, or our energies draw it like a magnet, I dunno. All I know is that it works, and that's enough for me.

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« Reply #4: May 16, 2010, 12:32:07 am »

For example: http://www.spellsandmagic.com/spells.html When I see this typical red and black layout I think it's not serious, I can't help it. Like at the ecauldron: here's a serene layout so I'm sure it's about content, not about something else.

That's a very good rule to follow. When I was younger and just learning about magick, I went to spellsandmagic.com. That site is a joke. In my experience, while the layout and design of a site doesn't directly effect the content on the page, you are more likely to find a more reliable site if your eyes don't bleed while looking at it. This is very general, and does not apply to every site out there, so be sure to read with a hefty dose of salt and if you have questions, ask.

To answer your questions; I use "magick" for no purpose other than I picked up using it when I was younger, and never dropped it. That's how they used it in the Sweep Series by Cate Tiernan (which I read at 14 and the beginning of my Pagan journey, very fiction, nothing is based on fact, but at 14 I didn't know that.) And how it works? Well, I honestly don't know the answer to that. For me, it just does. It doesn't need to be fancy or rhyme, I think it's all about your intent.
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« Reply #5: May 30, 2010, 06:59:35 pm »

I was wondering how does spells work. Most spells I've seen rhyme. I think their really pretty, they sound good and leave a very good impression. But I'm not quite sure why people use them or how they work? Does it work like a self for-filling prophecy? Like you cast a spell, you live towards your goal, so you achieve it? Or does it works otherwise?

Here's my thinking on this...
When I lived in San Diego, CA and working in a little "New Age" shop, I met many nurses who worked at two hospitals that were part of a research study. The study was to examine the results of various "cooperative healing methods" including remote prayer, Reiki, and Healing Touch. I've just spent many minutes looking all over for documentation of that study's results, but I've had no luck. I found some studies that showed no significant differences between healing with normal care or healing with remote, energetically assistance and normal care; however, I also found other study results that showed benefits to patients receiving remote cooperative healing.

I personally know of at least one result of the CA study: a hospital creating policy that subsidized their staff's education in Healing Touch or Reiki. I had a group of customers that worked there and happily took advantage of the affordable training because they'd seen improvements in their patients' healing experiences and in the quality of their own care-giving. I remember reading some good numbers back then (early 2000's), something like 50% less occurrence of infection in post-operative cardiology patients (specific procedures that were followed by the study) and 35% shorter recovery times. Unfortunately, I can no longer back that up with references, so I can only offer it as anecdotal.

My point is that I believe that connections between focused energy of intent and our physical world are observable and quantifiable. To me that means that "energy", "chi", or whatever you want to call it is a tool that we can learn to focus and shape. A church full of congregants praying for a specific goal, or "rolling thunder" (an event timed so that people in different locations can pray or do healing work in concert with each other), a coven working a ritual spell, or an individual doing any or all of the above can set an intention and affect change around them.

Hence, (if you've stuck with me through all this, lol) I believe that spell-wording needs to be very concise with a clear and simple intent. I always recommend extensive reading and pondering about the ethics involved in this work, but I won't go into that here. As far as rhyming or not, the goal in writing a spell is to focus your energy effectively. So what works for you - augmenting your ability to visualize and energize a clear intention - is what's right for you. I've read some beautifully written spells that didn't rhyme at all, and I've also been made pea-green with envy at some people's abilities to make gorgeous rhymes. When I've written them, I can never create rhymes that don't sound cheesy Undecided so I usually don't try to rhyme anymore.

Lastly, what I read that made sense to me was that you set the goal of your spell, raise the energy, hone and focus it, and then culminate by releasing that energy into the world to fulfill its purpose. AND (big point to me, 'cause I'm not good at letting stuff go) when you release it, you let go of the spell and avoid messing with it again. The point being: once you've released it, it's moving outward toward its goal. Thinking about it or worrying at it can only interfere with the focus and momentum of the energy.

I recently read "The War Prayer" by Mark Twain (http://www.warprayer.org/), and this warning to a church congregation really jumped out at me as being really valid for spell-work:

"Ponder this -- keep it in mind. If you would beseech a blessing upon yourself, beware! lest without intent you invoke a curse upon your neighbor at the same time. If you pray for the blessing of rain on your crop which needs it, by that act you are possibly praying for a curse on some neighbor's crop which may not need rain and can be injured by it." 

I didn't even mean to go in that direction, but it jumped into my mind so there ya go! The whole thing is well worth reading. My apologies to all: I'm fairly sure I haven't documented that correctly by this forum's standards. I've taken too long to write this (and my husband is starting to look hungry for dinner that we should have already eaten), and I promise I'll read up on those procedures before I quote like that again.

Hope you're enjoying your explorations here and in the Pagan realm, Meown!

Blessed be,
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« Reply #6: May 31, 2010, 07:57:20 am »

My apologies to all: I'm fairly sure I haven't documented that correctly by this forum's standards. I've taken too long to write this (and my husband is starting to look hungry for dinner that we should have already eaten), and I promise I'll read up on those procedures before I quote like that again.
That looks like a perfectly reasonable fair-use quote to me.

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« Reply #7: May 31, 2010, 02:00:23 pm »

That looks like a perfectly reasonable fair-use quote to me.

Oh good. Thanks for the feedback, Sunflower Smiley

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« Reply #8: June 15, 2010, 05:50:35 am »

Here's my thinking on this...
When I lived in San Diego, CA and working in a little "New Age" shop, I met many nurses who worked at two hospitals that were part of a research study. The study was to examine the results of various "cooperative healing methods" including remote prayer, Reiki, and Healing Touch. I've just spent many minutes looking all over for documentation of that study's results, but I've had no luck. I found some studies that showed no significant differences between healing with normal care or healing with remote, energetically assistance and normal care; however, I also found other study results that showed benefits to patients receiving remote cooperative healing.

I personally know of at least one result of the CA study: a hospital creating policy that subsidized their staff's education in Healing Touch or Reiki. I had a group of customers that worked there and happily took advantage of the affordable training because they'd seen improvements in their patients' healing experiences and in the quality of their own care-giving. I remember reading some good numbers back then (early 2000's), something like 50% less occurrence of infection in post-operative cardiology patients (specific procedures that were followed by the study) and 35% shorter recovery times. Unfortunately, I can no longer back that up with references, so I can only offer it as anecdotal.

My point is that I believe that connections between focused energy of intent and our physical world are observable and quantifiable. To me that means that "energy", "chi", or whatever you want to call it is a tool that we can learn to focus and shape. A church full of congregants praying for a specific goal, or "rolling thunder" (an event timed so that people in different locations can pray or do healing work in concert with each other), a coven working a ritual spell, or an individual doing any or all of the above can set an intention and affect change around them.

Hence, (if you've stuck with me through all this, lol) I believe that spell-wording needs to be very concise with a clear and simple intent. I always recommend extensive reading and pondering about the ethics involved in this work, but I won't go into that here. As far as rhyming or not, the goal in writing a spell is to focus your energy effectively. So what works for you - augmenting your ability to visualize and energize a clear intention - is what's right for you. I've read some beautifully written spells that didn't rhyme at all, and I've also been made pea-green with envy at some people's abilities to make gorgeous rhymes. When I've written them, I can never create rhymes that don't sound cheesy Undecided so I usually don't try to rhyme anymore.

Lastly, what I read that made sense to me was that you set the goal of your spell, raise the energy, hone and focus it, and then culminate by releasing that energy into the world to fulfill its purpose. AND (big point to me, 'cause I'm not good at letting stuff go) when you release it, you let go of the spell and avoid messing with it again. The point being: once you've released it, it's moving outward toward its goal. Thinking about it or worrying at it can only interfere with the focus and momentum of the energy.

I recently read "The War Prayer" by Mark Twain (http://www.warprayer.org/), and this warning to a church congregation really jumped out at me as being really valid for spell-work:

"Ponder this -- keep it in mind. If you would beseech a blessing upon yourself, beware! lest without intent you invoke a curse upon your neighbor at the same time. If you pray for the blessing of rain on your crop which needs it, by that act you are possibly praying for a curse on some neighbor's crop which may not need rain and can be injured by it." 

I didn't even mean to go in that direction, but it jumped into my mind so there ya go! The whole thing is well worth reading. My apologies to all: I'm fairly sure I haven't documented that correctly by this forum's standards. I've taken too long to write this (and my husband is starting to look hungry for dinner that we should have already eaten), and I promise I'll read up on those procedures before I quote like that again.

Hope you're enjoying your explorations here and in the Pagan realm, Meown!

Blessed be,
Ashwren Windintree

Wow, that was a lot...I think I can continue my investigation with a lot of new material! Thank you!
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