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Author Topic: Conflicting Afterlifes: Rewards or Punishments?  (Read 5049 times)
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« Reply #15: May 20, 2010, 09:25:32 pm »

Do you think this guy would be punished in the afterlife (I know I know, I'm assuming there IS one here, that's a different discussion, don't mess with my topic), in the Norse Nastrond say, or would he be rewarded by his gods for his "good" deeds?

I'm not sure that it has to be one or the other.  The only reason there would be a conflict here would be if our - soul?  personality?  spirit?  ego?  whatever it is - leaves the body after our death, all in one piece, and goes somewhere that operates just like the physical world in the sense that people can only be in one location at once, and both of the specific visions of the afterlife described by these two religions exist and don't overlap, and our deeds and/or affiliations affect what happens to our soul after death.  Which could all be true; but if any of those assumptions are wrong, the conflict disappears.
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« Reply #16: May 21, 2010, 01:50:22 pm »


Well, first, I'm assuming that each people's pantheon is theirs, i.e. real to them but not to anyone else, because it sprang from their "folk-soul" if you will.  So I'm just saying, suppose you had B people, with somewhat insidious gods, and these people raided A people, with honorable gods who frowned on unnecessary deceit and lies.  Would this guy be punished?  That's the question I'm proposing.

Of course, you do get the problem of "what if a guy lived alone, and created his own personal pantheon?"  I would assume it has something to do with the Atmic dimension, i.e. after you die, people would say "you know, that afterlife you came up with - it's all yours, no one's there.  Come with us to where we live."  And then your gods would kind of melt into the gods of your people whom you never knew.

Maybe it's not about punishment at all... after all, as just a soul pattern, you can't literally be ripped apart by snakes and wolves... maybe that's a reference to having the "bad" parts of your soul ripped out, in preparation to go back to Asgard and live with civilized people.  Maybe then, a person committing such a crime would be being true to his own soul, but his afterlife, full of thieves and scoundrels, would seem like hell to an upstanding person.

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« Reply #17: May 21, 2010, 02:29:50 pm »

I believe in afterlife because of cycles.  Trees live, die, live again.  The seasons turn, but they always and surely return.  Day and night chase each other around all worlds.  People are born of people, die, their bodies rot, and fertilize the soil.  Water comes down from the sky, makes plants grow, goes up to the sky, comes down again.  Everything is a cycle, so why should it not apply to the soul?  Why should the soul stop existing upon the death of the body?  Why shouldn't you just experience another dimension of existence, life as it is without a body?  Besides, I do have a memory from before my birth, which leads me to believe that there is both an after-life and before-life, and that Baptism is actually a spell (my memory was Christianized).  I had this explained to me that it's a Thokkian Vortex - when your astral body gets sucked into the other realms by a kind of wormhole in the fabric of existence.  Don't you just love occult science? Smiley

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1) If the soul doesn't exist, there is nothing to be recycled.

2) 'Occult science' sounds rather like pseudo-science.
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« Reply #18: May 21, 2010, 05:17:52 pm »

Well, first, I'm assuming that each people's pantheon is theirs, i.e. real to them but not to anyone else, because it sprang from their "folk-soul" if you will.  So I'm just saying, suppose you had B people, with somewhat insidious gods, and these people raided A people, with honorable gods who frowned on unnecessary deceit and lies.  Would this guy be punished?  That's the question I'm proposing.

First of all, who is to say which gods are 'honorable' and which ones are 'insidious'?  Going by the various mythologies that I'm familier with, the nature of deities are similar to that of people -- all of them can be honorable or insidious at various times when it suits their own interest.

Second, 'honor' is an extremely nebulous concept that really can not be defined objectively by any means.  For example, to some dying for one's country is an honorable act while others think it is a foolish and senseless waste of life.

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Of course, you do get the problem of "what if a guy lived alone, and created his own personal pantheon?"  I would assume it has something to do with the Atmic dimension, i.e. after you die, people would say "you know, that afterlife you came up with - it's all yours, no one's there.  Come with us to where we live."  And then your gods would kind of melt into the gods of your people whom you never knew.

And this is assuming that these gods were figments of this individual's imagination and not pre-existing gods that nudged hir.
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« Reply #19: May 21, 2010, 05:18:29 pm »

1) If the soul doesn't exist, there is nothing to be recycled.

2) 'Occult science' sounds rather like pseudo-science.

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« Reply #20: May 21, 2010, 08:48:55 pm »

Second, 'honor' is an extremely nebulous concept that really can not be defined objectively by any means.

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« Reply #21: May 22, 2010, 06:06:47 am »

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