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« Topic Start: June 22, 2010, 09:32:04 pm »

I apologize if this has been covered, I looked but couldn't find it.  I come from a jewish/catholic background where prayers tend to be a bit more formulaic.  A prayerful life has always been important to me, no matter what faith I've practiced, though I tend to be still drawn to the prayers that are a bit more formal.  I was wondering if others would feel comfortable sharing their prayer style.
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« Reply #1: June 22, 2010, 09:38:41 pm »

I apologize if this has been covered, I looked but couldn't find it.  I come from a jewish/catholic background where prayers tend to be a bit more formulaic.  A prayerful life has always been important to me, no matter what faith I've practiced, though I tend to be still drawn to the prayers that are a bit more formal.  I was wondering if others would feel comfortable sharing their prayer style.

I have a pretty informal style of praying that I've kept since my days as a Christian. While I do have more structured, formalized prayer during ritual, mostly I just pray (either in my head or out loud) to whomever I need to, whenever I need to. I talk to the gods pretty casually, about everything from struggles I'm going through to thanking them for something to just acknowledging their existence. I also have a short blessing I made up that I sometimes say before meals, mostly in an effort to integrate spirituality further into my life.
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« Reply #2: June 22, 2010, 10:33:56 pm »

I apologize if this has been covered, I looked but couldn't find it.  I come from a jewish/catholic background where prayers tend to be a bit more formulaic.  A prayerful life has always been important to me, no matter what faith I've practiced, though I tend to be still drawn to the prayers that are a bit more formal.  I was wondering if others would feel comfortable sharing their prayer style.

For me its informal most of the time.  I do have a set of prayer beads, but its not one I can really use in the traditional way prayer beads would be used.  So I tend to use those as just something to hold onto (it has a strange # of beads on it) good for mantras as well or affirmations.  I was not really raised around prayer though and when I did go to church the kneeling/folded hands thing never seemed "right" to me, but I think that whatever works FOR YOU should be how its done.  Most of the time I just say my prayers in my head but occasionally I will say it out loud (depends where I am)
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« Reply #3: June 23, 2010, 05:16:19 am »

I apologize if this has been covered, I looked but couldn't find it.  I come from a jewish/catholic background where prayers tend to be a bit more formulaic.  A prayerful life has always been important to me, no matter what faith I've practiced, though I tend to be still drawn to the prayers that are a bit more formal.  I was wondering if others would feel comfortable sharing their prayer style.

I am almost always informal to my God/dess and mostly pray in my head or with a really quiet whisper. I do offer a more formal prayer to another goddess sometimes but it is still quite informal. I personally find the more formal I get the more confused I get.
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« Reply #4: June 24, 2010, 11:35:59 am »

I apologize if this has been covered, I looked but couldn't find it.  I come from a jewish/catholic background where prayers tend to be a bit more formulaic.  A prayerful life has always been important to me, no matter what faith I've practiced, though I tend to be still drawn to the prayers that are a bit more formal.  I was wondering if others would feel comfortable sharing their prayer style.

That's a huge question, isn't it.  One could write an encyclopedia on this question...I actually don't like the term "prayer", and never have, even during the couple years in my life when I flirted with Christianity.  I always felt like the term was too loaded, and had been overly popularly used to signify a certain type of somewhat dutiful petitioning, or requesting help from a deity using formulaic, set prayers, that I didn't feel much aligned with.  Because I have always experienced my relationship with the Divine as a magical, mystical and intimate one, where such "prayers" as emerge from me well up naturally and wordlessly through my heart and are often though not always expressed without words, the question as to how to pray has always been synonymous for me with how to work to be closer to the Divine.  (Whichever Divine that is, whatever deity...).  Once I experience myself as "close" to or intimate with the Divine, the prayer just naturally flows right out of me, whatever needs to be said can be said.  So I would say that the way I pray is first to center myself and work to uncover my NEED for the DIvine, from which the movement of surrender and devotion and dedication emerge, and once that sense of need is there, I try to use words or symbols, images or movements or gestures to say the "prayer" of what that need is about, whether it's just about wanting to feel close to the Deity, or obtain help for a particular issue, or let her know something about what I am struggling with. WHen I experience myself as in intimacy with the Divine, I feel like I don't really have to say what I need, because I can sense that she already knows it.  So I just maintain that state of uncovering my need, and that itself becomes the prayer.  Of course, as a pagan and a Witch, I do work with Magic and Spells, and in some sense, in one way or another, I am usually silently or in actual words, "praying" that the Divine "charge" these with her potency for their effectiveness.  My sense of prayer is that really if one works to develop a relationship with one or more Deities, really sincerely works on that relationship, then the GOds and Goddesses will teach you how to pray to them.  Or to put it another way, I believe that if you ASK to be taught to pray, and then listen for a response, you will receive that teaching. 
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« Reply #5: June 24, 2010, 05:53:00 pm »

That's a huge question, isn't it.  One could write an encyclopedia on this question...I actually don't like the term "prayer", and never have, even during the couple years in my life when I flirted with Christianity.  I always felt like the term was too loaded, and had been overly popularly used to signify a certain type of somewhat dutiful petitioning, or requesting help from a deity using formulaic, set prayers, that I didn't feel much aligned with.  Because I have always experienced my relationship with the Divine as a magical, mystical and intimate one, where such "prayers" as emerge from me well up naturally and wordlessly through my heart and are often though not always expressed without words, the question as to how to pray has always been synonymous for me with how to work to be closer to the Divine.  (Whichever Divine that is, whatever deity...).  Once I experience myself as "close" to or intimate with the Divine, the prayer just naturally flows right out of me, whatever needs to be said can be said.  So I would say that the way I pray is first to center myself and work to uncover my NEED for the DIvine, from which the movement of surrender and devotion and dedication emerge, and once that sense of need is there, I try to use words or symbols, images or movements or gestures to say the "prayer" of what that need is about, whether it's just about wanting to feel close to the Deity, or obtain help for a particular issue, or let her know something about what I am struggling with. WHen I experience myself as in intimacy with the Divine, I feel like I don't really have to say what I need, because I can sense that she already knows it.  So I just maintain that state of uncovering my need, and that itself becomes the prayer.  Of course, as a pagan and a Witch, I do work with Magic and Spells, and in some sense, in one way or another, I am usually silently or in actual words, "praying" that the Divine "charge" these with her potency for their effectiveness.  My sense of prayer is that really if one works to develop a relationship with one or more Deities, really sincerely works on that relationship, then the GOds and Goddesses will teach you how to pray to them.  Or to put it another way, I believe that if you ASK to be taught to pray, and then listen for a response, you will receive that teaching. 

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That's a huge question, isn't it.  One could write an encyclopedia on this question...I actually don't like the term "prayer", and never have, even during the couple years in my life when I flirted with Christianity.  I always felt like the term was too loaded, and had been overly popularly used to signify a certain type of somewhat dutiful petitioning, or requesting help from a deity using formulaic, set prayers, that I didn't feel much aligned with.

Because I have always experienced my relationship with the Divine as a magical, mystical and intimate one, where such "prayers" as emerge from me well up naturally and wordlessly through my heart and are often though not always expressed without words, the question as to how to pray has always been synonymous for me with how to work to be closer to the Divine.  (Whichever Divine that is, whatever deity...).

Once I experience myself as "close" to or intimate with the Divine, the prayer just naturally flows right out of me, whatever needs to be said can be said.  So I would say that the way I pray is first to center myself and work to uncover my NEED for the DIvine, from which the movement of surrender and devotion and dedication emerge, and once that sense of need is there, I try to use words or symbols, images or movements or gestures to say the "prayer" of what that need is about, whether it's just about wanting to feel close to the Deity, or obtain help for a particular issue, or let her know something about what I am struggling with.

WHen I experience myself as in intimacy with the Divine, I feel like I don't really have to say what I need, because I can sense that she already knows it.  So I just maintain that state of uncovering my need, and that itself becomes the prayer.  Of course, as a pagan and a Witch, I do work with Magic and Spells, and in some sense, in one way or another, I am usually silently or in actual words, "praying" that the Divine "charge" these with her potency for their effectiveness. 

My sense of prayer is that really if one works to develop a relationship with one or more Deities, really sincerely works on that relationship, then the GOds and Goddesses will teach you how to pray to them.  Or to put it another way, I believe that if you ASK to be taught to pray, and then listen for a response, you will receive that teaching. 
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« Reply #6: June 25, 2010, 07:43:20 pm »

That's a huge question, isn't it.  One could write an encyclopedia on this question...I actually don't like the term "prayer", and never have, even during the couple years in my life when I flirted with Christianity.  I always felt like the term was too loaded, and had been overly popularly used to signify a certain type of somewhat dutiful petitioning, or requesting help from a deity using formulaic, set prayers, that I didn't feel much aligned with.  Because I have always experienced my relationship with the Divine as a magical, mystical and intimate one, where such "prayers" as emerge from me well up naturally and wordlessly through my heart and are often though not always expressed without words, the question as to how to pray has always been synonymous for me with how to work to be closer to the Divine.  (Whichever Divine that is, whatever deity...).  Once I experience myself as "close" to or intimate with the Divine, the prayer just naturally flows right out of me, whatever needs to be said can be said.  So I would say that the way I pray is first to center myself and work to uncover my NEED for the DIvine, from which the movement of surrender and devotion and dedication emerge, and once that sense of need is there, I try to use words or symbols, images or movements or gestures to say the "prayer" of what that need is about, whether it's just about wanting to feel close to the Deity, or obtain help for a particular issue, or let her know something about what I am struggling with. WHen I experience myself as in intimacy with the Divine, I feel like I don't really have to say what I need, because I can sense that she already knows it.  So I just maintain that state of uncovering my need, and that itself becomes the prayer.  Of course, as a pagan and a Witch, I do work with Magic and Spells, and in some sense, in one way or another, I am usually silently or in actual words, "praying" that the Divine "charge" these with her potency for their effectiveness.  My sense of prayer is that really if one works to develop a relationship with one or more Deities, really sincerely works on that relationship, then the GOds and Goddesses will teach you how to pray to them.  Or to put it another way, I believe that if you ASK to be taught to pray, and then listen for a response, you will receive that teaching. 

Thanks for the imput, I am pretty severe ADD (most of the time I enjoy it) and a Gemini so it's hard for me to keep concentration for very long.  I think that may be why I'm more drawn to the more formal/formulaic prayers.  I tend to like things scripted for rituals (I change them as I go usually but like a script to start with). 

But I also like the pomp and circumstance, and a lot of the tangible aspects of faith.  I think that's why I was drawn to Catholicism as a younger person, so that could play a part too... who knows.
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« Reply #7: June 25, 2010, 07:56:39 pm »

I apologize if this has been covered, I looked but couldn't find it.  I come from a jewish/catholic background where prayers tend to be a bit more formulaic.  A prayerful life has always been important to me, no matter what faith I've practiced, though I tend to be still drawn to the prayers that are a bit more formal.  I was wondering if others would feel comfortable sharing their prayer style.
I think there was an interesting pagan prayer site linked to here a while ago, but it doesn't look like I bookmarked it. Anyway, a Google search of pagan prayer ought to give you some interesting results to get you thinking.

I think it's worth it to come up with something of your own. Smiley I have a little ditty I say as I'm ending a prayer or offering. Overall, I speak informally and unscripted-ly, but at the end I'll say something along the lines of "To the Aesir and the Vanir who guide me, the wights who help me, and the ancestors who watch over me--Hail!" Even though I was never a vehement church goer, I couldn't totally erase the urge to say "In Jesus Christ, amen" after doing something religious, so this has sort of replaced that. lol. I know of a kindred (or more than one?) here on the East coast that ends its blots with "From us to the earth to the gods; from the gods to the earth to us."

Give it some thought and create your own!
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« Reply #8: June 25, 2010, 07:59:43 pm »

I think there was an interesting pagan prayer site linked to here a while ago, but it doesn't look like I bookmarked it. Anyway, a Google search of pagan prayer ought to give you some interesting results to get you thinking.

I think it's worth it to come up with something of your own. Smiley I have a little ditty I say as I'm ending a prayer or offering. Overall, I speak informally and unscripted-ly, but at the end I'll say something along the lines of "To the Aesir and the Vanir who guide me, the wights who help me, and the ancestors who watch over me--Hail!" Even though I was never a vehement church goer, I couldn't totally erase the urge to say "In Jesus Christ, amen" after doing something religious, so this has sort of replaced that. lol. I know of a kindred (or more than one?) here on the East coast that ends its blots with "From us to the earth to the gods; from the gods to the earth to us."

Give it some thought and create your own!

I've come across some nice ones, I usually rewrite them or at least tweak them for my own purposes, I've been realizing that I need to switch them around a bit or they go from being formulaic to rote and I say them without putting the feeling or even really thinking about them as I say them. 

and I still, on occasion have the urge to say amen and close with the sign of the cross  Cheesy
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« Reply #9: July 05, 2010, 01:29:07 pm »

I don't consider what I do as praying, although I do 4 daily devotionals (sunrise, midday, sunset, midnight) which I see as more honouring than supplicating.  While short, these are formal and never improv.  I always use the same 4 devotionals, as I believe in the power of repetition.  Or it could be that I just hope one day to actually have them memorized!   Smiley
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« Reply #10: July 05, 2010, 08:40:49 pm »

I apologize if this has been covered, I looked but couldn't find it.  I come from a jewish/catholic background where prayers tend to be a bit more formulaic.  A prayerful life has always been important to me, no matter what faith I've practiced, though I tend to be still drawn to the prayers that are a bit more formal.  I was wondering if others would feel comfortable sharing their prayer style.

Well, apart from the completely honest answer, which is "not as much as I should", I generally pray by lighting a candle and sending up a quick thanks or request, then get back to my homework....
When I have a little more time, I make offerings, which usually involve me individually offering biscuits or similar to the Gods with appropriate praise.
I hope to one day remember to do a morning and evening prayer, whether or not it's a set, routine prayer or just the quick, off-the-cuff one.
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« Reply #11: July 10, 2010, 10:24:44 pm »

I apologize if this has been covered, I looked but couldn't find it.  I come from a jewish/catholic background where prayers tend to be a bit more formulaic.  A prayerful life has always been important to me, no matter what faith I've practiced, though I tend to be still drawn to the prayers that are a bit more formal.  I was wondering if others would feel comfortable sharing their prayer style.

Just in the interests of demonstrating diversity.... I don't pray, I "make prayer". Making prayer can be accomplished with words, rituals, heartfelt ramblings to a deity or any combination thereof.

Making prayer is being productive, and vice versa. Being productive is making prayer.

I checked the pagan manual, and I am, technically speaking, allowed to make prayer to clouds. I have really enjoyed making prayer to beetles, and I have been known to spontaneously make prayer to plants and animals of all sorts for all sorts of reasons.

If you think of one, you should try it.

Monotheists only pray to abstractions. It has to be a god or you shouldn't be praying to it. That's like asking me to check my gun at the bar. I'll pray to anything, thank you... I'll pray to physical things, abstractions, symbols, animals, interesting objects... you name it.

Anything but people. I just don't do that.
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« Reply #12: July 10, 2010, 10:34:21 pm »

Just in the interests of demonstrating diversity.... I don't pray, I "make prayer". Making prayer can be accomplished with words, rituals, heartfelt ramblings to a deity or any combination thereof.

Making prayer is being productive, and vice versa. Being productive is making prayer.

I know plenty of people who would define praying the way you're defining "making prayer".

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Monotheists only pray to abstractions. It has to be a god or you shouldn't be praying to it. That's like asking me to check my gun at the bar. I'll pray to anything, thank you... I'll pray to physical things, abstractions, symbols, animals, interesting objects... you name it.

And how many Christians are going to tell you that God is an abstraction? How are the symbols you say you pray to not abstractions?

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Why not? Why believe that clouds and beetles are worth praying to, but your fellow sentient sapiens aren't?
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« Reply #13: July 10, 2010, 10:41:41 pm »

I know plenty of people who would define praying the way you're defining "making prayer".

You're allowed to do whatever you want, but there's a manual?

And how many Christians are going to tell you that God is an abstraction? How are the symbols you say you pray to not abstractions?

Why not? Why believe that clouds and beetles are worth praying to, but your fellow sentient sapiens aren't?

Hi there... I will pray to abstractions... I don't like it... but I will...

Mostly I pray to actual things... you know... like a rock or an ocean... maybe the sky. I will pray to beetles in a moment.... but I don't mean symbols... I make prayer to things.



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« Reply #14: July 10, 2010, 10:43:22 pm »

Hi there... I will pray to abstractions... I don't like it... but I will...

Mostly I pray to actual things... you know... like a rock or an ocean... maybe the sky. I will pray to beetles in a moment.... but I don't mean symbols... I make prayer to things.





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