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« Topic Start: June 26, 2010, 08:52:25 am »

So how do you feel about this sort of thing?



Genetically Altered Salmon Get Closer to the Table

The Food and Drug Administration is seriously considering whether to approve the first genetically engineered animal that people would eat — salmon that can grow at twice the normal rate.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/business/26salmon.html?hp
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« Reply #1: June 26, 2010, 09:09:07 am »

So how do you feel about this sort of thing?

My husband actually spent 6 years working with these exact salmon in a DFO (department of fisheries and oceans) lab. I see no problem with it my self. As natural fish stocks deplete, fish farming is going to become a much more viable option. So why not have fish that produce twice the meat is the same time frame of growth of normal fish. I would however like to see a study done to see if there are any long term effects in human maturation i.e., early puberty and such.
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« Reply #2: June 26, 2010, 09:14:41 am »

My husband actually spent 6 years working with these exact salmon in a DFO (department of fisheries and oceans) lab. I see no problem with it my self. As natural fish stocks deplete, fish farming is going to become a much more viable option. So why not have fish that produce twice the meat is the same time frame of growth of normal fish. I would however like to see a study done to see if there are any long term effects in human maturation i.e., early puberty and such.

So what happens when and if they escape to the wild?  This is the biggest problem I have with plant Gmo, and fish gmo may fit under that concern, if they can escape.
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« Reply #3: June 26, 2010, 09:37:28 am »

So how do you feel about this sort of thing?



Genetically Altered Salmon Get Closer to the Table

The Food and Drug Administration is seriously considering whether to approve the first genetically engineered animal that people would eat — salmon that can grow at twice the normal rate.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/business/26salmon.html?hp

I'm cool with it. We need more food for a growing population and the salmon in the wild aren't doing so hot, so this seems like a good solution.
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« Reply #4: June 26, 2010, 09:52:35 am »

So what happens when and if they escape to the wild?  This is the biggest problem I have with plant Gmo, and fish gmo may fit under that concern, if they can escape.

The biggest concern with transgenic salmon escaping, is are they going to deplete the natural food sources of the wild fish because they consume in much higher quantities, however it seems that the wild fish have superior instincts and survival skills, and the possibility of escape is a real one if they are farmed in sea cages. However if they are raised in a hatchery type farm, where the fish are in tanks on land than the possibility of escape is NIL. I should also point out that the likely hood of these fish being farmed and sold at market, even if this is approved is probably not in the near future. The Transgenic salmon are much more susceptible to disease, and it causes problems when trying to keep them in mass quantities.
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« Reply #5: June 26, 2010, 10:11:31 am »

The biggest concern with transgenic salmon escaping, is are they going to deplete the natural food sources of the wild fish because they consume in much higher quantities, however it seems that the wild fish have superior instincts and survival skills, and the possibility of escape is a real one if they are farmed in sea cages. However if they are raised in a hatchery type farm, where the fish are in tanks on land than the possibility of escape is NIL. I should also point out that the likely hood of these fish being farmed and sold at market, even if this is approved is probably not in the near future. The Transgenic salmon are much more susceptible to disease, and it causes problems when trying to keep them in mass quantities.

the issues of mass quantities is a different problem, i've read a little, ( a very little) that there is parasite issues as well, that make fish farming have the same problems of animal cruelty that the intensive hog farms have.
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« Reply #6: June 26, 2010, 10:43:50 am »

So how do you feel about this sort of thing?



Genetically Altered Salmon Get Closer to the Table

The Food and Drug Administration is seriously considering whether to approve the first genetically engineered animal that people would eat — salmon that can grow at twice the normal rate.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/business/26salmon.html?hp

I'm on the fence with genetic foods.

On the one hand, I know that local farms cannot handle the growing population. However, on the other hand, I can't help but wonder what the genetic anomalies of food that has been tampered with could do to the human body that we haven't foreseen yet. Children are growing up faster because of all of the hormones we give to animals that we eventually eat from and drink from. What's to say that the changes made to these fish won't push for children to grow up even faster?
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« Reply #7: June 26, 2010, 11:01:31 am »

I'm on the fence with genetic foods.

On the one hand, I know that local farms cannot handle the growing population. However, on the other hand, I can't help but wonder what the genetic anomalies of food that has been tampered with could do to the human body that we haven't foreseen yet. Children are growing up faster because of all of the hormones we give to animals that we eventually eat from and drink from. What's to say that the changes made to these fish won't push for children to grow up even faster?

I realy doubt it will.  The hormones in animals can affect us because they are chemicals that our bodies use also.  Our bodies, however, do not combine the genetic code of what we eat with our own. 
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« Reply #8: June 26, 2010, 11:33:39 am »

I realy doubt it will.  The hormones in animals can affect us because they are chemicals that our bodies use also.  Our bodies, however, do not combine the genetic code of what we eat with our own. 

No. However, if the fish grow faster because they're genetically engineered to produce more growth hormone, that means we will consume more growth hormone as well.

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« Reply #9: June 26, 2010, 01:12:23 pm »

the issues of mass quantities is a different problem, i've read a little, ( a very little) that there is parasite issues as well, that make fish farming have the same problems of animal cruelty that the intensive hog farms have.

I think that the problem of mass quantities and of parasites are pretty much the same problem. They cannot be kept in mass because they are very susceptible to disease and it will spread rampant through an entire tank infecting the entire stock, the same can be said of parasites. They just cannot fight them off on their own. So the ability to produce enough fish to be sold in any quantity is unrealistic. I am not familliar with the hog farm problems your talking about, I will have to check it out.
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« Reply #10: June 26, 2010, 03:22:30 pm »

I think that the problem of mass quantities and of parasites are pretty much the same problem. They cannot be kept in mass because they are very susceptible to disease and it will spread rampant through an entire tank infecting the entire stock, the same can be said of parasites. They just cannot fight them off on their own. So the ability to produce enough fish to be sold in any quantity is unrealistic. I am not familliar with the hog farm problems your talking about, I will have to check it out.

 The intensive hog farms (and chicken coops) have major air quality issues for the animals.  WOrker have to wear protective gear not just to keep pathogens out, but to keep the workers healthy from the air.  Then there's the lagoons of animal waste that can basically destroy land values for living on for miles around.  THeres usually too much of it to even properly use it as fertiliser.
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« Reply #11: June 26, 2010, 04:09:19 pm »

The intensive hog farms (and chicken coops) have major air quality issues for the animals.  WOrker have to wear protective gear not just to keep pathogens out, but to keep the workers healthy from the air.  Then there's the lagoons of animal waste that can basically destroy land values for living on for miles around.  THeres usually too much of it to even properly use it as fertiliser.

The intensive hog farms (and chicken coops) have major air quality issues for the animals.  WOrker have to wear protective gear not just to keep pathogens out, but to keep the workers healthy from the air.  Then there's the lagoons of animal waste that can basically destroy land values for living on for miles around.  THeres usually too much of it to even properly use it as fertiliser.

Ok I see what you mean as far as animal cruelty in that context, but I am curious as to why you think that fish farming is comparable to what you said above.
( I am genuinely interested in your perspective I am not trying to come across as snarky.  Smiley I am completely immersed in the scientific part of this because of my husbands profession that I really like to hear an outside perspective.)

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« Reply #12: June 26, 2010, 05:23:59 pm »

Ok I see what you mean as far as animal cruelty in that context, but I am curious as to why you think that fish farming is comparable to what you said above.
( I am genuinely interested in your perspective I am not trying to come across as snarky.  Smiley I am completely immersed in the scientific part of this because of my husbands profession that I really like to hear an outside perspective.)

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Well, I don't remember if the book was Animal Factory by David Kirby or Eating Animals, by Jonathon Safran Foer, but in talking about the life and death of the animals, the author was talking about the cleanliness of the water and the sea lice eating the fish's faces down to the bone, and it was because of the crowding.  Basically, the fish are living in fish poop and lice, and there's not that much that can actually be done about it given the densities needed to make this profitable.
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« Reply #13: June 26, 2010, 05:47:04 pm »

Then there's the lagoons of animal waste that can basically destroy land values for living on for miles around.  THeres usually too much of it to even properly use it as fertiliser.

We live down river(s) from some industrial dairies. You have NO idea what it's done to the drinking water for Waco. There are times I  can open my dishwasher and smell cow shit. Walk by the bathrooms and smell it. Walk outside in the summer and can tell the neighbors have been watering their yards.

And then some jackass writes a letter to the editor of the local paper and talks about the "frivolous lawsuits" against the dairies.

Right. We pay out the ass for the water the city provides and we can't drink it. My language turned the air blue.
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« Reply #14: June 26, 2010, 06:26:53 pm »

We live down river(s) from some industrial dairies. You have NO idea what it's done to the drinking water for Waco. There are times I  can open my dishwasher and smell cow shit. Walk by the bathrooms and smell it. Walk outside in the summer and can tell the neighbors have been watering their yards.

Thats really gross. I think that I would definatly be more than pissed.
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