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« Topic Start: July 10, 2010, 11:21:03 am »

Last night, about 3am I was woken up by what sounded like sirens, or screaming,  or someone being skinned alive - actually what sounded like about 8 someones being skinned alive.  It went on for about fifteen minutes and then faded into the distance.  The barking, was not quite barking and the howling was nothing as glamorous as the copyrighted wolf howl.

The screams were nothing short of horror movie and boy were they LOUD.  I had my bedroom windows all cracked to about 2" and it woke me from a full sleep.

We have hurricane fencing all around our neighborhood, and I at first thought wow, these people are nuts.  They fence in their fields like they're going to get away.  Now I'm guessing they are fencing OUT a local coyote pack - a pretty healthy sized one by the amount of noise they put up last night.

It was like they chose last night to announce their prescence in the big empty prairie space about a half mile behind the neighborhood.  Which is where the kids all go to jump their bikes.  We had heard 'rumors' passed on from some older teens about there being coyotes out there, but took it with a grain of salt, since they aren't typically active during the day and I was thinking that there might be one or two floating around hanging on with the development.  I never thought there might be an pack.  (might be a rather duh thing, but for some reason I saw them as solitary)

Any coyote-philes with some good info above what wiki has?  We're putting some new rules into place about going out to the jumps.  My oldest from what I've read is big enough that by day and with the other kids isn't a likely target for a healthy coyote but my youngest son and the neighbors youngest daughter are of a questionable size and are under 10 and under 55lb so they will all have some very strict stay together do not go any farther than XYZ rules as well as tightening up how late they are allowed to be out at the jumps.

Oddly I'm not finding anything about Coyotes put up by the town or local wildlife resources.  Then again being in such a rural area, I'm not surprised.  There is very little on the web about what our town does or does not have.  Even some of the schools are not on the internet out here.
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« Reply #1: July 10, 2010, 12:27:57 pm »



I lived where I live now for 4 years before I knew we had coyote, bear and copperheads. also there are supposedly mountain lions. I've heard them, seen pictures of one a friend took from his porch, but the game commission says there aren't any. They also said for years that there were no coyotes, but now you can hunt them. They didn't want people hunting a "nuisance animal" while they were reintroducing it to the area or until there was a stable coyote population. it can be hard to get information on wildlife especially predatory wildlife because they don't want people to kill those animals.

I do know that other than being a potential danger to small children and pets they can be really destructive. They get into trash etc. this is especially bad when the area has an over population. My brother's girlfriend lived in a place that had that problem and now there is open season on coyote. The population is still out of control.
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« Reply #2: July 10, 2010, 12:34:49 pm »

I never thought there might be an pack.  (might be a rather duh thing, but for some reason I saw them as solitary)

Any coyote-philes with some good info above what wiki has?
Most often solitary, or mated pairs, but they do form packs sometimes (they also apparently sometimes work in partnership with badgers, but that's neither here nor there for your purposes) - usually youngens who've stayed with the parents after they're grown, so at a guess there probably weren't eight of them, more likely four or five making enough racket for eight.  It's also possible that there are several solitary ones rather than a pack; they like to howl back and forth even if they're not hunting together.

Linkdump (IIRC, some of these are Wiki's source sites, so you may have seen them):
Coyote info at DesertUSA
Indiana Coyote Rescue Center
Eastern Coyote Homepage
Co-Existing With Coyotes at the Stanley Park (Vancouver BC) Ecology Society
You might try contacting the Biology Department of the nearest university - even if they're not doing any field research of local critters, they'll probably know if anyone else is.  Coyotes are very adaptable, so details of behavior in one place don't always carry over completely in another; the more localized your info is, the more it'll apply to your coyotes.

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« Reply #3: July 10, 2010, 01:17:58 pm »

Most often solitary, or mated pairs, but they do form packs sometimes (they also apparently sometimes work in partnership with badgers, but that's neither here nor there for your purposes) - usually youngens who've stayed with the parents after they're grown, so at a guess there probably weren't eight of them, more likely four or five making enough racket for eight. 

Many thanks for the links and the info Cheesy 

There was a veritable chorus, if they were going back and forth, they took out the breathing between phrases part.  It had the mood of someone stirring the pots and pans cabinet with a baseball bat.  Noise glorious noise -- I make it with my voice!

Terrifying too.  There's something about the cacophony that leaves you wondering if they're just stirring up the night for the fun of it, fighting, celebrating something they ate - although I'm finding on more looking that the super high ground squirrel population out here seems to be what keeps them fat and happy, or what they're up to.  I had to stop myself from checking the locks and closing the downstairs windows even though that's pretty illogical since we're in the center of the mini suburbia they dropped in the middle of an agricultural belt.  It was what it would sound like if your neighbors each had a few dogs, went out in the middle of the street and had it out violently to the accompaniment of howling.   

They had a scream to them that sounded almost human at parts and where they were overlapping each other takes on a people shouting in the distance kind of tone.  I for a second wondered if I should be watching the news in the morning for missing persons.

I've never heard coyotes in full song before so I'm impressed! 
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« Reply #4: July 10, 2010, 10:56:01 pm »

Oddly I'm not finding anything about Coyotes put up by the town or local wildlife resources.  Then again being in such a rural area, I'm not surprised.  There is very little on the web about what our town does or does not have.  Even some of the schools are not on the internet out here.

Just a few weeks ago a 6-yr-old in New Hampshire was attacked and severely bitten by a coyote attack.  Keep the little ones close; report I saw said that the 6yo was with a group of children, but she was the smallest; when she was far enough away from the others, several coyotes attacked.

Last year a young woman of slight stature was attacked, killed and partially eaten in a national park in eastern Canada.

Coyotes in the east of North America are bigger, tougher and more wolflike than the smaller, more foxlike, scavenger types as are found in Los Angeles, robbing dumpsters and stealing Chihuahuas.  LA County coyotes weigh half what the Easterners do.  Some Eastern coyotes really are just slightly smaller wolves.  There is some reason to believe that the coyote re-established residence in the East not by walking east from the prairie, but by avoiding humans and traveling north of the Great Lakes.

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« Reply #5: July 10, 2010, 11:22:02 pm »

Just a few weeks ago a 6-yr-old in New Hampshire was attacked and severely bitten by a coyote attack.  Keep the little ones close; report I saw said that the 6yo was with a group of children, but she was the smallest; when she was far enough away from the others, several coyotes attacked.

Last year a young woman of slight stature was attacked, killed and partially eaten in a national park in eastern Canada.

My oldest was trying to rally the neighorhood kids to go out to see if they could find any evidence or tracks and I had to break up that party for exactly the reasons you mentioned.  The older kids if they ran into a coyote would take off as fast as they could pedal, leaving the younger ones in the dust. 

Maybe when hubbs gets back in a few days I'll ride out with the boys and point out what the scat looks like and we'll drill proper etiquette in the situation, but until then they're not going back out to the jumps.

From what I've been reading, what we may be hearing are the young males learning to 'use their voice' and fighting for their spot in the local roam area.  We'll give them a couple weeks to sort it out, especially since they are going through what appears to be their teen years.

We don't need somebodys kid getting picked off because they looked like good eats.
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« Reply #6: July 12, 2010, 06:20:27 pm »



I took the kiddos out for a bike ride today, and we covered about a mile in length, half a mile out from the housing and came across at least 60 piles of scat twenty or so fresh and a few places that had been used multiple times, (a good ten of different ages) a bit of a poo off perhaps; and what appears to be two dens, about a mile apart.  One dug into the dirt flats that were cleared by the developer that built our neighborhood about 4 years ago before the market crash and has gone back to itself and one in a burnt out log structure near an abandoned farm.

The kids got to see scat, poke through it with a stick to see the bones and fur in it and learn to identify tracks.  hopefully this satisfied their curiosity, although because they're living so close in the jumps are now off limits since the chance of popping over the top of a platform that was leveled/ tiered for the housing that makes the jumps (no pads poured, just leveled) and falling into someones backyard is too chancy.

We found some feathers, but it appears that they're eating primarily rodents and all in one gulp.
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« Reply #7: July 12, 2010, 06:23:49 pm »

The kids got to see scat, poke through it with a stick to see the bones and fur in it and learn to identify tracks. 


Neat.  Next to owl pellets, coyote poo was a favorite "trail stop" for us when my kid was small.  This takes me back.  Smiley

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