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« Topic Start: July 25, 2010, 03:43:44 am »

I'd love to see some more conservative/support the troops groups listed in the pagan features politcial action page.  There are a few of us around  Smiley

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« Reply #1: July 25, 2010, 03:50:32 am »

I'd love to see some more conservative/support the troops groups listed in the pagan features politcial action page.  There are a few of us around  Smiley

like:

http://woundedwarriorproject.org/
http://defendthedefenders.org/
http://www.anysoldier.com/
http://www.fallenheroesfund.org/About-IFHF/Fund-History/The-Center-for-the-Intrepid.aspx
http://www.redstatewitch.com/

I have a bunch more too if there's any interest.

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« Reply #2: July 25, 2010, 07:59:54 am »

I'd love to see some more conservative/support the troops groups listed in the pagan features politcial action page.  There are a few of us around  Smiley

"Support the Troops" groups (of any or even no political persuasion) aren't listed on our Take Political Action page for a number of reasons, chief among them is I don't like seeing the military drawn into political battles by one side or another. Supporting the troops should not be a form of "political action".

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« Reply #3: July 25, 2010, 08:02:00 am »

some more conservative/support the troops groups

This may be a bit off-topic and I just may be irritable for about to walk out the door to the last day on the job I just got fired from (so please don't take offense), but I am so tired of conservatives who make it seem as though supporting the troops is something that only they do.  Me, my parents and my maternal grandmother are all fairly politically liberal and we may disagree with the wars and the military's top brass but we still support the individual troops.

Now that that little rant is over, I will look at the Take Action page for the first time....

To tell the truth, most of the groups listed on that page are either neutral or (as in the case of Greenpeace) something that a good number of pagans (especially the Earth-Centered majority) would support anyway.  The only one that screams "liberal" would be The People for the American Way which mainly tries to protect the social progress the country has made since the Civil Rights movement.

And I know that this is a US-based site, but since we have members all over the world, I think it might be a good idea to throw in some non-US political groups.

Of course, all of this is up to Randall.
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« Reply #4: July 25, 2010, 08:07:55 am »

This may be a bit off-topic and I just may be irritable for about to walk out the door to the last day on the job I just got fired from (so please don't take offense), but I am so tired of conservatives who make it seem as though supporting the troops is something that only they do.  Me, my parents and my maternal grandmother are all fairly politically liberal and we may disagree with the wars and the military's top brass but we still support the individual troops.

Now that that little rant is over, I will look at the Take Action page for the first time....

To tell the truth, most of the groups listed on that page are either neutral or (as in the case of Greenpeace) something that a good number of pagans (especially the Earth-Centered majority) would support anyway.  The only one that screams "liberal" would be The People for the American Way which mainly tries to protect the social progress the country has made since the Civil Rights movement.

And I know that this is a US-based site, but since we have members all over the world, I think it might be a good idea to throw in some non-US political groups.

Of course, all of this is up to Randall.

I did not mean to imply that conservatives are the only ones that support the troops at all and I apolgize for any offence, it was not intentional, I should have phrased it as 2 separate suggestions not lumped them together.  I wanted those up more as a reference, the support the troop thing is kind of a passion of mine.

And most of the groups up there are pretty liberal, ACLU etc.  I understand most of the folks are liberal, and that's great, I just would like to see some references up there for the growing number of conservative pagans out there.
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« Reply #5: July 25, 2010, 09:46:34 am »

I did not mean to imply that conservatives are the only ones that support the troops at all and I apolgize for any offence, it was not intentional, I should have phrased it as 2 separate suggestions not lumped them together.  I wanted those up more as a reference, the support the troop thing is kind of a passion of mine.

And most of the groups up there are pretty liberal, ACLU etc.  I understand most of the folks are liberal, and that's great, I just would like to see some references up there for the growing number of conservative pagans out there.

I really hate how the ACLU is always made out to be this uber-liberal organization.

Yes, they take unpleasant causes.  That's what they DO.  They'll fight for a conservative Christian as fast as a liberal Pagan, though.  It's just that Pagans are more likely to be discriminated against illegally.

Since when is fighting for civil liberties "liberal"?  I mean - isn't that exactly what most conservatives want to?  their civil liberties protected?
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« Reply #6: July 25, 2010, 09:50:08 am »

I really hate how the ACLU is always made out to be this uber-liberal organization.

Yes, they take unpleasant causes.  That's what they DO.  They'll fight for a conservative Christian as fast as a liberal Pagan, though.  It's just that Pagans are more likely to be discriminated against illegally.

Since when is fighting for civil liberties "liberal"?  I mean - isn't that exactly what most conservatives want to?  their civil liberties protected?

I really don't want this to turn into a political debate, I have issues with a lot (not all) of the things the ACLU does but again I really didn't mean for this to be a debate.  All I wanted was some conservative groups listed in the political page.  Please forget I brought it all.
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« Reply #7: July 25, 2010, 12:02:39 pm »

I really didn't mean for this to be a debate.

We're a debate and discussion board, so both debate and discussion tend to spring up everywhere. Smiley
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« Reply #8: July 25, 2010, 03:18:22 pm »

Since when is fighting for civil liberties "liberal"?  I mean - isn't that exactly what most conservatives want to?  their civil liberties protected?

Yes.  Their civil liberties.

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« Reply #9: July 25, 2010, 04:06:15 pm »

I really hate how the ACLU is always made out to be this uber-liberal organization.

Yes, they take unpleasant causes.  That's what they DO.  They'll fight for a conservative Christian as fast as a liberal Pagan, though.  It's just that Pagans are more likely to be discriminated against illegally.

Since when is fighting for civil liberties "liberal"?  I mean - isn't that exactly what most conservatives want to?  their civil liberties protected?

I saw a program on the ACLU a while ago.  THat's the point of the aclu. they push the limits.  They don't expect to win everytime, they'd be shocked if they did, the point is to defend the borders and show where the inroads are being made and not being made.
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« Reply #10: July 25, 2010, 04:17:56 pm »

And I know that this is a US-based site, but since we have members all over the world, I think it might be a good idea to throw in some non-US political groups.

Of course, all of this is up to Randall.

It's hard enough to pick good groups (i.e. ones that most Pagans can support) for the US. I don't know enough about foreign politics to pick similarly good groups in the UK, let alone the rest of Europe. And that still leaves the entire rest of the world.
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« Reply #11: July 25, 2010, 06:07:16 pm »

It's hard enough to pick good groups (i.e. ones that most Pagans can support) for the US. I don't know enough about foreign politics to pick similarly good groups in the UK, let alone the rest of Europe. And that still leaves the entire rest of the world.

There's reasons I avoid the political boards here, I don't have the time or energy to engage in politcal discussion here (I have several groups where that's all we do), all I was trying to do is have a minority, a growing minority but one still seemingly not accepted,  in the pagan community represented. 

fyi from what I've seen, and I am by no means an expert, the aclu tends to fall more on the left than the right, aka the John Adams project just to name one off the top of my head.  There is a conservative verrsion ACLJ (American center for law and justice)
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« Reply #12: July 25, 2010, 06:19:12 pm »

There's reasons I avoid the political boards here, I don't have the time or energy to engage in politcal discussion here (I have several groups where that's all we do), all I was trying to do is have a minority, a growing minority but one still seemingly not accepted,  in the pagan community represented.  

fyi from what I've seen, and I am by no means an expert, the aclu tends to fall more on the left than the right, aka the John Adams project just to name one off the top of my head.  There is a conservative verrsion ACLJ (American center for law and justice)

The ACLJ is little more than the legal arm of Pat Robertson's Christian empire, comparing them to the ACLU does a great disservice to the later, as they do take on cases from both sides of the political spectrum; the ACLJ does not. As such I do not see a lot of Pagan folks having any sort of sympathy for such a group. There are certainly are Pagans who find themselves on the right side of the political spectrum, no doubt. The Pagan + Politics blog has a number of such individuals.
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« Reply #13: July 25, 2010, 06:23:21 pm »

The ACLJ is little more than the legal arm of Pat Robertson's Christian empire, comparing them to the ACLU does a great disservice to the later, as they do take on cases from both sides of the political spectrum; the ACLJ does not.

I'm not getting in the middle of this anymore, this was not my intention I have little interest in the ACLU in general.  Concider the request dropped, none of my conservative groups have no issues putting pagan conservative links up, I'll just deal with it with them.
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« Reply #14: July 25, 2010, 06:30:47 pm »

We're a debate and discussion board, so both debate and discussion tend to spring up everywhere. Smiley

I thought those were more reserved for the politcal boards, I just made a suggestion for adding some sites which was soundly slapped down.  I respect the decision of the powers that be and as far as I'm concerned it's dropped.  I can have them linked in some of my conservative groups no biggie  Smiley
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