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« Reply #15: July 28, 2010, 09:50:55 pm »

I'm linking back to this just so people reading this later on know where the discussion got started.

Thanks for this!  Smiley

Something I thought about was whether my SO would mind doing a ritual as a fill-in for me if I were for some reason unable to do so.  He does not follow the Kemetic gods although he is respectful of other traditions/religions.  I wonder how the deity associated with the statue would feel about this?  Hmm. 

Also, thanks for mentioning your airport story.  I am considering doing this daily exercise as well and since I'll be moving to Spain too, this is something I'll have to be aware of ahead of time.
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« Reply #16: November 24, 2010, 09:31:01 pm »

Thanks for this!  Smiley

Something I thought about was whether my SO would mind doing a ritual as a fill-in for me if I were for some reason unable to do so.  He does not follow the Kemetic gods although he is respectful of other traditions/religions.  I wonder how the deity associated with the statue would feel about this?  Hmm. 

Also, thanks for mentioning your airport story.  I am considering doing this daily exercise as well and since I'll be moving to Spain too, this is something I'll have to be aware of ahead of time.

I know this is late but I hope that your trip to Spain was a pleasant one. I've got two open statues, Heru and Sekhmet. Since I can provide for them everyday then having an open statue is no problem. The rest are closed and I don't plan on opening them until the Kemetic New Year.
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« Reply #17: November 25, 2010, 10:25:31 pm »

I've got two open statues, Heru and Sekhmet. Since I can provide for them everyday then having an open statue is no problem. The rest are closed and I don't plan on opening them until the Kemetic New Year.

Sounds like a lot of open statues  Shocked 

I'm considering eventually having one, and that feels like all the responsibility I can handle.   
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« Reply #18: November 26, 2010, 12:20:52 am »

Sounds like a lot of open statues  Shocked 

I'm considering eventually having one, and that feels like all the responsibility I can handle.   

It's not hard to handle for me. I've got a total of six statues. Some of them I honor a couple of times a week and some only once. Last night was Set and today it's only Isis. I have it written down, which of course I don't need because I've been doing this for sometime.
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It's not hard to handle for me. I've got a total of six statues. Some of them I honor a couple of times a week and some only once. Last night was Set and today it's only Isis. I have it written down, which of course I don't need because I've been doing this for sometime.

You're aware that open statues contain the power of the Gods, and require daily care? If that's how you're caring for open statues, that's the equivalent of having people in your house who you're only feeding once a week.

I'm also curious how in the world you've managed to amass two open statues in the two weeks it seems you've been identifying as Kemetic, and certainly how you managed to gain the required knowledge for proper care in that time. These are pretty serious religious duties you're taking on - one's that I'd be uncomfortable with for a variety of reasons. Hell, even just for performing the ritual of the opening of the mouth I'd want far more than just a few weeks' preparation.

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« Reply #20: November 26, 2010, 02:38:59 am »

You're aware that open statues contain the power of the Gods, and require daily care? If that's how you're caring for open statues, that's the equivalent of having people in your house who you're only feeding once a week.

I'm also curious how in the world you've managed to amass two open statues in the two weeks it seems you've been identifying as Kemetic, and certainly how you managed to gain the required knowledge for proper care in that time. These are pretty serious religious duties you're taking on - one's that I'd be uncomfortable with for a variety of reasons. Hell, even just for performing the ritual of the opening of the mouth I'd want far more than just a few weeks' preparation.

Thank you, Chabas.  

I had a response to Sekhmet's Servant's post drafted but then my laptop battery died.  Perhaps that was synchronicity.  Your response was better than mine.  You didn't mince words.

As I said I'm *considering* having an open statue.   I decided to go for a year treating a statue like it was open, to see if I was cut out for the work before I made a decision.  I've been doing ritual daily with no breaks for seven months.  I am in no way ready to open my statue.   There are a lot of steps I need to take first, like making sure my shrine area is exactly the way He wants it. I also need to make sure I have a full-length ritual that I can perform when I have time.   That means researching hymns and ephithets, and designing a ritual according the the template in Eternal Egypt.  I know most days I won't have time for more than the short ritual but I want to do more than I can.  He deserves at least that much.

I'm going to see if I can keep doing the daily rite for a year.  If I can, I'll do divination and ask the Gods if I'm ready for an open statue.  If they say yes, then I'll have one next Wep Renpet.  If they say no?  Then guess what, I'll deal with it. My spirituality has been rich and fulfilling for years without an open statue and it can continue to be rich and fulfilling without one.   This decision is about serving my patron God, not myself.

FYI:  I'm going to be shaking nervous when I do that divination.  If I ever do end up performing an Opening of the Mouth ritual, I'd be shocked if I didn't cry after the fact.  This is a HUGE deal and there's not a day I don't remember that.  I'm honored.  I'm humbled.  I'm scared of screwing everything up.  I can't imagine doing this six times.  

Not only is it irresponsible to open a statue and not care for it every day...it's nonsensical.  

An open statue is supposed to create a stable, permanent link between the physical world and the realm of the Gods.  That permanence and constancy is part of  Ma'at.   To support that constancy, ritual attendance of the open statue must be aligned with the constancy of nature, especially the solar cycles.  

The world is renewed in the morning.  The presence of the God in the statue is renewed in the morning.  If you're not doing daily ritual, then that renewal isn't happening.  The statue isn't serving its purpose.

Having a daily practice isn't some annoying obligation that comes with having an open statue.  It's the POINT of having an open statue.  If someone doesn't want a daily practice, then they don't want an open statue.  Period.  


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« Reply #21: November 26, 2010, 02:39:25 am »

For those who have considered using the Opening of the Mouth ritual on a statue of z deity to do worship in the way that it was done by priests in a temple in the past, what are some of the things you have thought about before deciding to do so or not do so?
For me, having an open statue would be more than can I handle. My opinion is that tending an open statue is extremely emotionally involving, time consuming, and like a marriage times a billion. Once I open the statue I'm *locked in* to a contract, so to speak, and there's no annulment. The daily care alone would drain me.
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« Reply #22: November 26, 2010, 12:16:37 pm »

You're aware that open statues contain the power of the Gods, and require daily care? If that's how you're caring for open statues, that's the equivalent of having people in your house who you're only feeding once a week.

I'm also curious how in the world you've managed to amass two open statues in the two weeks it seems you've been identifying as Kemetic, and certainly how you managed to gain the required knowledge for proper care in that time. These are pretty serious religious duties you're taking on - one's that I'd be uncomfortable with for a variety of reasons. Hell, even just for performing the ritual of the opening of the mouth I'd want far more than just a few weeks' preparation.

--Chabas

I actually opened them two months ago. I do leave offerings of cookies everyday when I don't want to do a full ritual. Of course that's only for Heru and Sekhmet. The others are closed but I haven't forgotten about them. I knew that opening the mouth meant that the power of the gods are inside the statue. When I do my ritual for the others that are closed, like Anubis, Set, Bast, and Aset (Isis) I always give them something special. All my statues get bathed to get rid of things that might of gotten on it from when I burned incense or just dust.

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« Reply #23: November 26, 2010, 01:49:02 pm »

I actually opened them two months ago.

Funny - 'cause that's about when you signed on here, and introduced yourself as a Penn Dutch traditional witch "using" Egyptian deities in witchcraft. You later called yourself a witch and a druid, and stuck with that till mid-October. What in the world were you doing opening statues while following totally different traditions? Especially since you followed that up by saying non-recons were doing something wrong by introducing non-native elements...

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I do leave offerings of cookies everyday when I don't want to do a full ritual. Of course that's only for Heru and Sekhmet.

Ok, I've been reading up on your previous posts because I got confused... and I thought you only worshiped Sekhmet and Aset?

Regardless; you leave cookies for statues that should receive ritual and offering, and be dressed and cleansed daily? Really? Have you read Nehet's post above about what an open statue entails? You don't go "Oh, I don't feel like. Have a cookie." with an open statue.

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« Reply #24: November 26, 2010, 02:14:16 pm »

I actually opened them two months ago. I do leave offerings of cookies everyday when I don't want to do a full ritual. Of course that's only for Heru and Sekhmet. The others are closed but I haven't forgotten about them. I knew that opening the mouth meant that the power of the gods are inside the statue. When I do my ritual for the others that are closed, like Anubis, Set, Bast, and Aset (Isis) I always give them something special. All my statues get bathed to get rid of things that might of gotten on it from when I burned incense or just dust.

I never forget the gods that I worship.
But a full ritual and offerings are part and parcel of having an open statue; it's a duty, every single day, to cleanse, dress, make offerings, etc; not just when you feel like it.
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« Reply #25: November 26, 2010, 02:38:34 pm »

But a full ritual and offerings are part and parcel of having an open statue; it's a duty, every single day, to cleanse, dress, make offerings, etc; not just when you feel like it.
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Exactly Taja. It is a priveledge and a wonderful obligation. You do the ritual everyday, even when you don't feel like it. You wake up before the sun rises, even if you are not a morning person. You go to bed early and skip out on late night activities, because you are the servant to that god. DOes it make you more spiritual and better than others? Absolutely not. It is a specific calling that everyone is not called to.

I would never dream of casually passing shrine and saying that I am tired but here munch on this. The gods are gods. The deserve our respect. If we cant give them an hour of our day for them, then we need to look at other ways to serve them. Not everyone is called to tend to a shrine.

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« Reply #26: November 26, 2010, 03:14:55 pm »

Regardless; you leave cookies for statues that should receive ritual and offering, and be dressed and cleansed daily? Really? Have you read Nehet's post above about what an open statue entails? You don't go "Oh, I don't feel like. Have a cookie." with an open statue.

Not to like get in the middle of this, but, I think she meant that she only has Sekhmet and whomever open...
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« Reply #27: November 26, 2010, 04:07:43 pm »

Not to like get in the middle of this, but, I think she meant that she only has Sekhmet and whomever open...

Correct. I only have Sekhmet and Horus open. I don't have the others open. I don't practice Pow-Wow anymore because I don't have enough information in order to practice it like it's supposed to be. Does it mean that I've given up on that, no, but I just don't want to do something wrong. I don't abandon the rest of them just to suit my purpose and I don't like being accused of that. Bast, Anubis, Isis, and Set are very important to me and I treat them with respect.

Also I know that I bought my statues, minus Isis, two months ago because two months ago my mother got mad at me for buying so many statues. That was the point, to me, of buying my own debit card. Also I didn't know what to give them as offering. Most of the times I would give them incense everyday. I stopped doing that because the whole shrine room would fill with smoke and the smoke detector would go off.

I gave Sekhmet and Horus offerings of whatever I had on hand. I gave them milk as well and bread. As for the whole thing about Sekhmet and Aset. I worship Aset as she was the first goddess that I encountered and I bought her last year but didn't open her because I didn't know that you could. I still honor her on her special days but I'm not ready to open her...yet.

I'm sorry if I confused anyone and I hope that I fully have explained myself.
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« Reply #28: November 26, 2010, 04:18:28 pm »

Funny - 'cause that's about when you signed on here, and introduced yourself as a Penn Dutch traditional witch "using" Egyptian deities in witchcraft. You later called yourself a witch and a druid, and stuck with that till mid-October. What in the world were you doing opening statues while following totally different traditions? Especially since you followed that up by saying non-recons were doing something wrong by introducing non-native elements...

(Hay, I'm not the only one that's said that)

Ok, I've been reading up on your previous posts because I got confused... and I thought you only worshiped Sekhmet and Aset?[/quote]

(Like I said in my other post I worship Aset because she's the first goddess that I encountered. She led me to Sekhmet who I worship. The other gods came along because either I'm attracted to them or they connect to me in some way)

Regardless; you leave cookies for statues that should receive ritual and offering, and be dressed and cleansed daily? Really? Have you read Nehet's post above about what an open statue entails? You don't go "Oh, I don't feel like. Have a cookie." with an open statue.[/quote]

(For your info I don't consider my obligations to be bothersome. I love worshiping the gods and I don't like people saying that about me and how I worship. I give them what I can because that's what I have to offer. I've started to pick up more on my obligations due to the fact that I'm no longer running around like some crazy person.)

No, you remember to give them a cookie when following up on your obligations gets too bothersome.[/quote]

(What's so wrong with giving them a cookie. I give them milk to)

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« Reply #29: November 26, 2010, 06:01:29 pm »

(Hay, I'm not the only one that's said that)

Ok, I've been reading up on your previous posts because I got confused... and I thought you only worshiped Sekhmet and Aset?

(Like I said in my other post I worship Aset because she's the first goddess that I encountered. She led me to Sekhmet who I worship. The other gods came along because either I'm attracted to them or they connect to me in some way)

Regardless; you leave cookies for statues that should receive ritual and offering, and be dressed and cleansed daily? Really? Have you read Nehet's post above about what an open statue entails? You don't go "Oh, I don't feel like. Have a cookie." with an open statue.

(For your info I don't consider my obligations to be bothersome. I love worshiping the gods and I don't like people saying that about me and how I worship. I give them what I can because that's what I have to offer. I've started to pick up more on my obligations due to the fact that I'm no longer running around like some crazy person.)

No, you remember to give them a cookie when following up on your obligations gets too bothersome.

(What's so wrong with giving them a cookie. I give them milk to)

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I hope that I cleared things up.
That may very well be, and of course we all do what we can as time allows and far be it from me to question your relationship with Them. But in regards to having an open statue, I think the point is that you're not fulfilling your obligations if you're not performing the daily ritual that *must* be done every day.
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