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« Reply #15: August 04, 2010, 07:19:38 am »

Not for /any/ form of worship. For a spiritual path that one guy develops in talking to his deity, there's no reason for him to pick up a single book.

If that one guy chose a deity like Thor, he'd have to have known about him via academia/schooling/reading.

Also, to answer your question about her reconstruction stance: She saw me going that route and thought that maybe that was what she needed in her life. So, Arienwen is trying it out but doesn't know where to begin and is worried that she won't do it right.
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« Reply #16: August 04, 2010, 07:29:57 am »

If that one guy chose a deity like Thor, he'd have to have known about him via academia/schooling/reading.

I'd allow that maybe it should be "most" forms of worship rather than "any", because I do think it's possible to have a pure-UPG situation.  I know we've had people here who have been tapped by deities they know nothing about, and in some cases can't find any information on.  In most cases, though, I think you're right that there will be at least a little bit of knowledge gleaned from a text source of some sort, even if the practitioner's focus is not academic.  (After all, reading a little mythology does not necessarily mean one is turning into a recon.  Wink )  It may be only on the "OK, I have this name, 'Thor', now... who the heck is that?" level, but it'll be there.  Really, truly pure-UPG situations exist, but they're pretty rare.  Most of us get outside info from someplace, I think.
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« Reply #17: August 04, 2010, 07:49:40 am »

Really, truly pure-UPG situations exist, but they're pretty rare.  Most of us get outside info from someplace, I think.

I imagine they are more rare than we think, given the way our brains seem to work: making associations between random bits of data without us being consciously aware it is happening.
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« Reply #18: August 04, 2010, 10:06:43 am »

If that one guy chose a deity like Thor, he'd have to have known about him via academia/schooling/reading.

Also, to answer your question about her reconstruction stance: She saw me going that route and thought that maybe that was what she needed in her life. So, Arienwen is trying it out but doesn't know where to begin and is worried that she won't do it right.

Or hypothetical guy is just a Marvel comics fan and always thought Thor was kinda nifty. Not exactly the reading you're talking about... and I understand your point, but I interpreted your original statement to mean some sort of dedicated scholarship behind worship as opposed to hearing about a deity, having something click, and then just running with it.
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« Reply #19: August 04, 2010, 10:34:46 am »

Or hypothetical guy is just a Marvel comics fan and always thought Thor was kinda nifty. Not exactly the reading you're talking about... and I understand your point, but I interpreted your original statement to mean some sort of dedicated scholarship behind worship as opposed to hearing about a deity, having something click, and then just running with it.

I see your point. Star did a good job of explaining it, too.  Grin

You can't be entirely dedicated to the scholarship aspect of the worship, though. I think that, then, that takes away the specialness. You know?
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« Reply #20: August 04, 2010, 10:37:13 am »

I see your point. Star did a good job of explaining it, too.  Grin

You can't be entirely dedicated to the scholarship aspect of the worship, though. I think that, then, that takes away the specialness. You know?

Definitely, definitely. I've been able to get my scholarship as a Classical Archaeology student to work for me - my last paper for my old school was about Athena, which gave me an excuse to read up on one of my patrons for a grade - but I've seen some people miss out on all the warm fuzzy feelings of religion in exchange for the cold hard facts.
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« Reply #21: August 04, 2010, 10:44:08 am »

You can't be entirely dedicated to the scholarship aspect of the worship, though. I think that, then, that takes away the specialness. You know?

More pertinently, if you dedicate too much time and energy to scholarship, you'll never get around to actually doing worship rather than just reading about other people doing it.  (Not that the reading couldn't be a form of worship in and of itself, I suppose, but even there I think you're going to reach a point where you have to go beyond just looking at the words on the page and engage with your faith.)
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« Reply #22: August 04, 2010, 12:42:14 pm »

Are you a reconstructionist? If not, then what a recon does doesn't apply to you.

I wasn't sure if I was going to be a full Recon or not.  The only thing I knew for sure was that I wanted to fully dedicate myself to the Greek Pantheon, and try to live my life in full service to Them.  I am interested in the ancient ways and how they worshiped the Deities, which is why I want to learn more about it.  I just know that the Wicca based worship is no longer for me.  I feel as if I am being pulled onto a deeper path.
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« Reply #23: August 04, 2010, 11:56:01 pm »

Or hypothetical guy is just a Marvel comics fan and always thought Thor was kinda nifty. Not exactly the reading you're talking about...

The day that someone tells me that the Disney version of "Hercules" is why they wanted to worship the Greek deities is the day I have my first heart attack.
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« Reply #24: August 05, 2010, 11:24:58 am »

The day that someone tells me that the Disney version of "Hercules" is why they wanted to worship the Greek deities is the day I have my first heart attack.

I hear that.  I had been reading up on the Greek myths in school and on my own when that movie came out.  So long as I disregarded everything I knew I could enjoy it with that thought that it wasn't right. But isn't that true of most movies of any historical or mythological bent?  All facts go out the window in order to make a good (or in most cases, crappy) storyline.  It makes me sad more often than not.
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« Reply #25: August 05, 2010, 11:30:15 am »

The day that someone tells me that the Disney version of "Hercules" is why they wanted to worship the Greek deities is the day I have my first heart attack.

To be fair, that movie made kids everywhere aware that Greek mythology existed. Gods treated as real characters, in a movie shown to millions of kids. Personally, I love the movie. No, it's not very true to the source material - but it's cute, and it at least puts that idea into someone's head.
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« Reply #26: August 05, 2010, 11:41:44 am »

The day that someone tells me that the Disney version of "Hercules" is why they wanted to worship the Greek deities is the day I have my first heart attack.

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The "statue" of Hades on my altar is a plastic toy of the Disney version that I got in a Happy Meal many years ago.

Did you have a heart attack?

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« Reply #27: August 05, 2010, 11:53:46 am »

*rubs hands together maniacally*

The "statue" of Hades on my altar is a plastic toy of the Disney version that I got in a Happy Meal many years ago.

Did you have a heart attack?

(just kidding, btw)

That was wicked funny.  I think my favourite thing about that movie was they intentionally put things in there for you to find.  One obvious one was where Hermes is wearing Mickey Mouse ears.  There are a lot of gems in there that you have to really look for.  They did that in response to all of the other "bad" stuff that had been found in "The Little Mermaid", "The Lion King", and "Aladdin". 

Someone else made mention of the fact that it at least showed people that there were Greek myths out there, and I have to agree, it did make me more apt to look up the real stories behind them.
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« Reply #28: August 05, 2010, 02:25:59 pm »

To be fair, that movie made kids everywhere aware that Greek mythology existed. Gods treated as real characters, in a movie shown to millions of kids. Personally, I love the movie. No, it's not very true to the source material - but it's cute, and it at least puts that idea into someone's head.

But Hera was pink...
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« Reply #29: August 05, 2010, 03:19:39 pm »

But Hera was pink...

In that version She was the mother of Hercules and you're complaining about HER SKIN COLOR!!!???!!?!?!?!?!?
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