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« Reply #30: August 05, 2010, 04:25:11 pm »

In that version She was the mother of Hercules and you're complaining about HER SKIN COLOR!!!???!!?!?!?!?!?

I think it is awesome that Hades has blue flaming hair.  The best line is "Woah!  Is my hair out??"

I would like to believe that the Gods have a sense of humour about things.
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« Reply #31: August 05, 2010, 04:59:50 pm »

To be fair, that movie made kids everywhere aware that Greek mythology existed. Gods treated as real characters, in a movie shown to millions of kids. Personally, I love the movie. No, it's not very true to the source material - but it's cute, and it at least puts that idea into someone's head.

Yeah, but most of those "someones" are never going to go find out anything about the source material and will continue to retain this movie as their impression of Greek mythology.  It spreads far more incorrect information than correct.

In the end, it's a movie, and I try not to get too worked up about it, because...  it's a movie.  It isn't worth it, any more than it's worth getting upset over Buffy's portrayal of Wicca.  But I'm not going to give it a free pass on accuracy just because it might possibly inspire a comparatively small number of people to learn more about the myths it's mangling, either.  (And I don't find "cute" to be a redeeming factor in any case.  I like cute and all, but in this case it sort of only compounds the problem, since actual Greek mythology is sort of not very cute most of the time.  I'm all for having a sense of humor about religion, but there's something about "cute" and the sort of things the Gods get up to in the actual mythology that just doesn't mesh well, and making it "cute" feels less like having a sense of humor and more like infantalizing it.)
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« Reply #32: August 05, 2010, 06:06:42 pm »

*rubs hands together maniacally*

The "statue" of Hades on my altar is a plastic toy of the Disney version that I got in a Happy Meal many years ago.

Did you have a heart attack?

(just kidding, btw)

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« Reply #33: August 05, 2010, 07:14:42 pm »

It spreads far more incorrect information than correct.

I can't help wondering if it would be viewed as benign if it had been a retelling of the Gospels; done with the same level of faithfulness to the original.
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« Reply #34: August 05, 2010, 07:27:02 pm »

I can't help wondering if it would be viewed as benign if it had been a retelling of the Gospels; done with the same level of faithfulness to the original.

There would be no way a movie like that would be made. There would be too many protests about the inaccuracies to let it get off the ground.  I think it is sad that there aren't any protests against movies that inaccurately portray polytheists.  But, for me, I can laugh off Hercules and still look at it as a good kids movie.  It is entertaining, so long as you put your knowledge aside.  But I know many Christians who do the same thing for movies like Constantine.  They see it as an entertaining movie, nothing more.  And when it comes down to it, when has Hollywood made an accurate portrayal of anything?
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« Reply #35: August 06, 2010, 10:04:49 am »

There would be no way a movie like that would be made. There would be too many protests about the inaccuracies to let it get off the ground.  I think it is sad that there aren't any protests against movies that inaccurately portray polytheists.  But, for me, I can laugh off Hercules and still look at it as a good kids movie.  It is entertaining, so long as you put your knowledge aside.  But I know many Christians who do the same thing for movies like Constantine.  They see it as an entertaining movie, nothing more.  And when it comes down to it, when has Hollywood made an accurate portrayal of anything?

I like the movie a lot. It's incredibly inaccurate, but it's fun and uplifting.

My favourite website for Hellenic polytheism is: http://kyrene.4t.com/index.html. It pretty much covers everything in a succinct way. Of course, a good and widely recommended site for information on the cult and mythology of gods is: http://www.theoi.com/. Neos Alexandria (http://www.neosalexandria.org/temple_district.htm) is another good resource, but it's focused on Greco-Egyptian polytheism. There are Hellenic resources on there, as well.

Just for the record, "Hellenistic" refers to the period of time between Alexander the Great's death and Rome's conquest of Egypt (323-31 BCE), and "Hellenic" refers to Greek culture in general.
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« Reply #36: August 06, 2010, 01:35:22 pm »

I like the movie a lot. It's incredibly inaccurate, but it's fun and uplifting.

My favourite website for Hellenic polytheism is: http://kyrene.4t.com/index.html. It pretty much covers everything in a succinct way. Of course, a good and widely recommended site for information on the cult and mythology of gods is: http://www.theoi.com/. Neos Alexandria (http://www.neosalexandria.org/temple_district.htm) is another good resource, but it's focused on Greco-Egyptian polytheism. There are Hellenic resources on there, as well.

Just for the record, "Hellenistic" refers to the period of time between Alexander the Great's death and Rome's conquest of Egypt (323-31 BCE), and "Hellenic" refers to Greek culture in general.

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« Reply #37: August 07, 2010, 07:59:13 am »

I can't help wondering if it would be viewed as benign if it had been a retelling of the Gospels; done with the same level of faithfulness to the original.

I just got an image in my head of Mary with blue skin and flaming hair...
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« Reply #38: August 07, 2010, 08:57:34 am »

I just got an image in my head of Mary with blue skin and flaming hair...

Aside from those creepy cartoons of the gospels on religious networks, could you imagine anyone thinking about creating a cartoon based on the life of Jesus? Something with the comedic effect the Hercules movie?
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« Reply #39: August 07, 2010, 10:30:26 am »

Aside from those creepy cartoons of the gospels on religious networks, could you imagine anyone thinking about creating a cartoon based on the life of Jesus? Something with the comedic effect the Hercules movie?

I image it would include the twelve apostles as a gospel choir.
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« Reply #40: August 07, 2010, 11:20:44 am »

I just got an image in my head of Mary with blue skin and flaming hair...

Pics or it didn't happen.

Re: the rest of this convo. I honestly just see it as yet another interpretation of the myths. At some point, someone made up the myths, told it to someone else, and down the line, a bunch of someones wrote the stories down. Yes, the movie has adapted the source material a great deal, but somewhere in there there's truth. Maybe not a truth that the ancients would have considered, but at least a modern one.
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« Reply #41: August 07, 2010, 11:24:20 am »

Pics or it didn't happen.

Re: the rest of this convo. I honestly just see it as yet another interpretation of the myths. At some point, someone made up the myths, told it to someone else, and down the line, a bunch of someones wrote the stories down. Yes, the movie has adapted the source material a great deal, but somewhere in there there's truth. Maybe not a truth that the ancients would have considered, but at least a modern one.

Truths like Zeus is an idiot and Hades is really a thinly-veiled Satan analogue?
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« Reply #42: August 07, 2010, 11:33:27 am »

Truths like Zeus is an idiot and Hades is really a thinly-veiled Satan analogue?

I was thinking more along the lines of the modern concept of heroism coming from a place of personal strength and character, not how many baddies you kill or how many action figures get made of you. *shrugs* Your mileage may vary.
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« Reply #43: August 07, 2010, 03:14:55 pm »

I image it would include the twelve apostles as a gospel choir.

Now I have visions of the apostles as actors in a musical comedy.  Maybe a chorus line as well....
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« Reply #44: August 07, 2010, 05:44:23 pm »

I image it would include the twelve apostles as a gospel choir.

I think that would actually be a really good cartoon rendition concept.
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