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Author Topic: Celtic Prayers and Incantations by Alexander Carmichael  (Read 7832 times)
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« Topic Start: August 02, 2010, 07:27:22 pm »

I need advice....Should I buy it or no? I realize there is an SIG for this kind of thing but I need information on it relatively quick. I am on www.bn.com right now and I want to finish my order. So. Yay or Nay?Smiley
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« Reply #1: August 02, 2010, 07:42:32 pm »

I need advice....Should I buy it or no? I realize there is an SIG for this kind of thing but I need information on it relatively quick. I am on www.bn.com right now and I want to finish my order. So. Yay or Nay?Smiley
Only if you particularly want it in hardcopy.  Carmichael's work is long since out of copyright (he died almost a century ago), so you should be able to find if for free on the 'Net without too much trouble.

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« Reply #2: August 02, 2010, 07:47:26 pm »

Only if you particularly want it in hardcopy.  Carmichael's work is long since out of copyright (he died almost a century ago), so you should be able to find if for free on the 'Net without too much trouble.

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Alright. Thanks! You're input was very much appreciated. Is the book itself any good?
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« Reply #3: August 02, 2010, 08:19:42 pm »

I need advice....Should I buy it or no? I realize there is an SIG for this kind of thing but I need information on it relatively quick. I am on www.bn.com right now and I want to finish my order. So. Yay or Nay?Smiley

IIRC, most of the material is Christianized, but still helpful.  You can always adapt to your personal beliefs, just make sure that you make a note of that for your own sake. Smiley
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« Reply #4: August 02, 2010, 08:34:23 pm »

Alright. Thanks! You're input was very much appreciated. Is the book itself any good?
Depends on whether you like your folklore straight-up or filtered.

Hard to say about the particular book you were looking at on the B&N site - Carmichael didn't, in his lifetime, publish a book with that title.  My guess is that it's an excerpt of some of the material from Carmina Gaedelica, compiled more recently.

Carmichael's work as he published it... opinions vary.  He really was a collector of folklore, and collected and thus preserved quite a lot of it.  OTOH, he was also very much a product of his times and subject to the assumptions and misconceptions of those times, and that affects his work.

The Wikipedia page on Carmichael briefly discusses the pros and cons of his approach to folklore collection, as well as giving some leads to finding his work online, so I'll just hand you that link to get you started on both those things, since I'm really not the best person to cover this in any detail.  Hopefully your thread in the book reviews section will garner some more in-depth discussion.

I see that TC's own Seren, on her Scottish Recon site Tairis, includes Carmina Gaedelica as a must-have in her "Where do I start" booklist, so that answers your question fairly well.  It sounds possible, from what she says there, that the volume you were considering could have been one of the single-volume-English-only editions she mentions, but the title they had on it means it's hard to tell without checking just what it says on its B&N page (and maybe not even then).  It's not unusual, with classic works no longer in copyright, for "good bits" (or what publishers think might be "good bits") to be pulled out and presented separately, which isn't necessarily a bad thing since it helps expose people to things they might not otherwise have even known about, but it can be really confusing.

(And, while I'm here - I notice you have cake in your profile.  Happy birthday!)

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« Reply #5: August 02, 2010, 08:52:34 pm »

(And, while I'm here - I notice you have cake in your profile.  Happy birthday!)
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Thanks! I always thought it was kinda cool to be born on a Greater Sabbat^^
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« Reply #6: August 02, 2010, 09:08:20 pm »

Thanks! I always thought it was kinda cool to be born on a Greater Sabbat^^
"On" in the loose sense (I've usually seen it as 1 Aug) - but I'm not being snooty at you; mine's tomorrow, and I think it's cool to have been born "loosely on" one, too.  The solar-based-calendar dates are kind of arbitrary, after all - there's a lot we don't know with certainty about how the cross-quarter dates were determined, but they're not solar-based the way the quarters (solstices/equinoxes) are.  It makes the most sense in my personal practice to use an agricultural basis and local indicators, so for me it's, "if the saskatoon berries aren't ripe, it's not really Lammas yet," even if it's after my birthday.

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« Reply #7: August 02, 2010, 09:13:05 pm »

"On" in the loose sense (I've usually seen it as 1 Aug) - but I'm not being snooty at you; mine's tomorrow, and I think it's cool to have been born "loosely on" one, too.  The solar-based-calendar dates are kind of arbitrary, after all - there's a lot we don't know with certainty about how the cross-quarter dates were determined, but they're not solar-based the way the quarters (solstices/equinoxes) are.  It makes the most sense in my personal practice to use an agricultural basis and local indicators, so for me it's, "if the saskatoon berries aren't ripe, it's not really Lammas yet," even if it's after my birthday.

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See I have seen it on Aug 2nd and Aug 1st so I just say my birthday is on Lammas; even though it isn't technically true:P
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« Reply #8: August 02, 2010, 09:51:35 pm »

See I have seen it on Aug 2nd and Aug 1st so I just say my birthday is on Lammas; even though it isn't technically true:P

I've seen Lammas fall between July 30-August 2, and my current tradition says it's kosher to celebrate within a week of the sabbat's actual date, so I think you've got some leeway. Smiley
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« Reply #9: August 03, 2010, 02:16:43 am »

I've seen Lammas fall between July 30-August 2, and my current tradition says it's kosher to celebrate within a week of the sabbat's actual date, so I think you've got some leeway. Smiley
I've never been one for set dates myself, the ancients followed a lunar/solar calender with emphasis on moon phases, with the likelihood of waiting for certain seasonal occurrences for the festivals. 

Lúnasa/August is the beginning of autumn, which was marked by the harvest. Nowadays traditions recognise it as August 1st on the Gregorian, which would have been on the eve before going by the ancients (sunset 31st by today's standards)  Ould Lammas Fair in Antrim is actually at the end of August, and Puckfest in Kerry is around the 10th. Our local mountain Sliabh Crúibe has traditional music at the top, where locals carry a stone to the top to help bury the '12 kings' which isn't until Blaeberry Sunday at the end of August, although I climbed the hill for Lughnasadh this last Sunday, and many other locals did the same thing.

All the Alexandrians I know celebrate the Sabbat on the weekend closest for convenience, so the "within a week" is dead on IMO Wink
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