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« Reply #15: August 04, 2010, 05:56:15 pm »

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Frivolous Filing: TV Preacher’s Legal Group Sues To Block Islamic Center In New York City

Yesterday, New York City’s Landmarks Preservation Commission voted unanimously to allow construction of an Islamic center in lower Manhattan. Immediately after the vote, TV preacher Pat Robertson’s American Center for Law and Justice announced that it would file suit to block the move.

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« Reply #16: August 04, 2010, 07:19:18 pm »

I don't know if you guys have been following this, but the thinly veiled religious intolerance masquerading as hallowed patriotism--ratcheted up by election-year right-wing grandstanding--is making me crazy. Sarah Palin freaking weighed in on this (if the term "weighed in" can be used for such an intellectual lightweight), and shockingly the Anti-Defamation League followed suit. The latest:

Landmarks Commission Votes Down Preserving Site Of Proposed Mosque

(in other words, opponents of the mosque tried to get the existing building landmarked to prevent the mosque from being built; they lost, unanimously)

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/123121/landmarks-commission-votes-down-preserving-site-of-proposed-mosque

So glad to see some common sense regarding this.  I have a friend on facebook who is on the other side of the issue and I have to be very firm with myself to not respond to his posts.
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« Reply #17: August 04, 2010, 10:34:07 pm »

(Love the maze image, BTW)

It's a Labyrinth not a Maze.  The difference is a Labyrinth does not have any false turns, while a Maze does. 

PS you can follow the path with your finger. 
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« Reply #18: August 05, 2010, 01:31:06 pm »

It's a Labyrinth not a Maze.  The difference is a Labyrinth does not have any false turns, while a Maze does. 

PS you can follow the path with your finger. 

A bit off topic, but it still bugs me: Why is the one with false turns not a labyrinth when it is clear from the description that that was what the original from Greek Mythology was?
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« Reply #19: August 05, 2010, 01:45:20 pm »

A bit off topic, but it still bugs me: Why is the one with false turns not a labyrinth when it is clear from the description that that was what the original from Greek Mythology was?

In colloquial use that differentiation seems to be prominent, but the dictionary uses the words to define each other, and are interchangeable.
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« Reply #20: August 05, 2010, 10:59:35 pm »

A bit off topic, but it still bugs me: Why is the one with false turns not a labyrinth when it is clear from the description that that was what the original from Greek Mythology was?

My apologies, you are correct.   My reason is that when I was planing the labyrinth for my congregation it became clear to me, that some of the people were afraid of getting lost in a maze.  (it is painted on a 20' x 20' canvas cloth).  When I used the term labyrinth, they were comfortable with that.
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« Reply #21: August 06, 2010, 05:25:08 pm »



I've got my aunt in a full rolling boil with this one over on facebook.

She's gone so far as to use the "you just don't get it" tactic coupled with the "you're too young to understand the pain and tragedy that us old folks experienced when the world changed" bit.

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Aunt-(I pointed out that there are other mosques within a few blocks of Ground Zero)
I know there are mosques all over but this is about 9-11 and respect for those who died there which by the way aren't just Americans and changed everything in our county as we once new it. We will never feel the same again. Maybe because you haven't lived through as much and had to see for yourself what our Country really means you can't feel the pain and horror of what it really stands for
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Last I checked I was alive during 9-11. If anything a long life should give one the worldliness and perspective to know that life changing tragedy is not limited to the ones that made the news in the last decade on our shores and that relevancy is not limited to emotional responses. Pain and horror don't excuse knee jerk responses. The Bush administration taught us that in spades followed up by a hefty helping of Obama to repeat the lesson.

Popular politics and media mongering rely on Americans reacting rather than thinking and tacking on their own personal suffering to fuel the fire - even in cases where it is completely unrelated. Torch bearing mobs typically are easier to build than disperse.
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« Reply #22: August 06, 2010, 05:59:37 pm »

I've got my aunt in a full rolling boil with this one over on facebook.

She's gone so far as to use the "you just don't get it" tactic coupled with the "you're too young to understand the pain and tragedy that us old folks experienced when the world changed" bit.

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« Reply #23: August 06, 2010, 06:29:55 pm »

(((Mandi)))

Lol, fortunately we're not close. :-) 
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« Reply #24: August 06, 2010, 11:59:21 pm »

Aunt-(I pointed out that there are other mosques within a few blocks of Ground Zero)
I know there are mosques all over but this is about 9-11 and respect for those who died there which by the way aren't just Americans and changed everything in our county as we once new it. We will never feel the same again. Maybe because you haven't lived through as much and had to see for yourself what our Country really means you can't feel the pain and horror of what it really stands for

Mandi, please feel free to relate the following to your aunt:

--I'm a lifelong, native New Yorker; it was my city that had its heart torn to pieces

--I was here when it happened

--I lost a friend in 9/11

--Approaching age 50, I doubt I'm "too young" for anything

--...and I support the mosque 100%

Let her chew on that.
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« Reply #25: August 07, 2010, 08:51:41 am »

I don't know if you guys have been following this, but the thinly veiled religious intolerance masquerading as hallowed patriotism--ratcheted up by election-year right-wing grandstanding--is making me crazy. Sarah Palin freaking weighed in on this (if the term "weighed in" can be used for such an intellectual lightweight), and shockingly the Anti-Defamation League followed suit. The latest:

Landmarks Commission Votes Down Preserving Site Of Proposed Mosque

(in other words, opponents of the mosque tried to get the existing building landmarked to prevent the mosque from being built; they lost, unanimously)

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/123121/landmarks-commission-votes-down-preserving-site-of-proposed-mosque

It's good to hear other people who think this is all ridiculous. To date, the only friend I've talked to about it disagreed with me, and said the mosque was disrespectful. I've sort of kept my mouth shut since. Really though, how large of a no-mosque radius do they think we should place around ground zero? There's all this arguing about putting a church there instead, but I wish we'd just place a church on one side of ground zero, and a mosque on the other, honestly.
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« Reply #26: August 08, 2010, 12:25:13 am »

It's good to hear other people who think this is all ridiculous. To date, the only friend I've talked to about it disagreed with me, and said the mosque was disrespectful. I've sort of kept my mouth shut since. Really though, how large of a no-mosque radius do they think we should place around ground zero? There's all this arguing about putting a church there instead, but I wish we'd just place a church on one side of ground zero, and a mosque on the other, honestly.

A church on one side and a mosque on the other, will not bring peace or understanding. 

Every year for  the holidays that occur in and around December, have Icons (physical representations) of various faiths and beliefs, and somewhere in the US (I think we lay claim to religious tolerance) there is a court case about displaying said Icons. Never mind the altercations that don't make the headlines.   

About what happen on 9/11 we need to get over it, and take responsibility for our part in 9/11.   It was a failure of the upper levels of US Intelligent Services that allowed it to happen, the grunts did their job (my reasoning for this comes from reading the 9/11 report).
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« Reply #27: August 14, 2010, 09:35:53 am »

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And now, finally...

Obama makes clear support for ground zero mosque

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jYi7bqWuZd_crahzrd7UPoDxvyIAD9HJ79G80

Plus, depressingly...

Poll: Public strongly opposes Ground Zero mosque


The CNN/Opinion Research survey showed that 68 percent oppose the plan to build the mosque, compared to 29 percent who favor it.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/113747-poll-public-strongly-opposes-ground-zero-mosque-
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« Reply #28: August 14, 2010, 01:30:10 pm »

And now, finally...

Obama makes clear support for ground zero mosque



It leaves me head desking why ANYONE with half a clue would be surprised that Obama would support the Mosque.  He. Has. No. Choice.  His job is to uphold the constitution.  Were he to start denying certain groups their civil rights based upon religion, they would be right on the money in demanding that he be impeached. 

Funny that all the people complaining about how awful terrible horrible it is that the people building the Mosque are being 'allowed' to build it, yet not a one of them has said alright, if this is so popular, lets put up a collection to buy up all the property surrounding ground zero, make it a private park and be done with it.
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« Reply #29: August 14, 2010, 02:02:39 pm »


Funny that all the people complaining about how awful terrible horrible it is that the people building the Mosque are being 'allowed' to build it, yet not a one of them has said alright, if this is so popular, lets put up a collection to buy up all the property surrounding ground zero, make it a private park and be done with it.

That's what I thought they should've done from the beginning.  The city should've just bought up however much land at and around ground zero, ripped up all the left over building pieces, and turned the damn thing into a city park w/trees and stuff.  And if they really felt it necessary, they could've put up a little memorial statue, or a wall like the Vietnam Memorial, within said park. Although I'm sure there'd've been a stupid-ass decade-long battle over what constituted a proper memorial, at least the grounds themselves would've been taken care of, and interest groups could've fought about the damn memorial to their heart's content while the rest of us got on with our lives. Angry

Nobody can really bitch that trees are "disrespecting 9/11 families". Roll Eyes
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