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« Topic Start: August 31, 2010, 07:13:07 pm »

AT&T: Net rules must allow 'paid prioritization'

AT&T said Tuesday that any Net neutrality plan restricting its ability to engage in "paid prioritization" of network traffic would be harmful and contrary to the fundamental principles of the Internet.

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« Reply #1: August 31, 2010, 07:13:58 pm »

AT&T: Net rules must allow 'paid prioritization'

AT&T said Tuesday that any Net neutrality plan restricting its ability to engage in "paid prioritization" of network traffic would be harmful and contrary to the fundamental principles of the Internet.

Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20015231-38.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=News-PoliticsandLaw#ixzz0yECghRRM


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« Reply #2: August 31, 2010, 07:16:55 pm »

Asshats!

No shit. I hate AT&T. Hate 'em.
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« Reply #3: August 31, 2010, 07:22:19 pm »

No shit. I hate AT&T. Hate 'em.

Comcast is no better - and it's what I have at home.
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« Reply #4: August 31, 2010, 09:41:39 pm »

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So teleconfrences should be laggy so that some kid can download 500 pirated d20 e-books with the same priority?

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« Reply #5: August 31, 2010, 09:54:18 pm »

So teleconfrences should be laggy so that some kid can download 500 pirated d20 e-books with the same priority?



Ultimately? Yes. Because if you also look at it that teleconferences might be laggy because a customer is downloaded legitimate content. I'm not willing to give up on net neutrality just so the *big boys* will be happy.
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« Reply #6: August 31, 2010, 10:56:52 pm »

Ultimately? Yes. Because if you also look at it that teleconferences might be laggy because a customer is downloaded legitimate content. I'm not willing to give up on net neutrality just so the *big boys* will be happy.

Exactly. I see no reason why what I want to download should be slower just because someone will not pay off AT&T to get it carried at the normal speed the connections will support.
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« Reply #7: September 01, 2010, 10:16:33 am »

So teleconfrences should be laggy so that some kid can download 500 pirated d20 e-books with the same priority?



By that same token - my chat with someone should be laggy because someone that's paid more wants to download a truckload of porn?  Or watch *approved* TV online?

Plus, if there is such a thing as priority, you KNOW the big games will buy it - making the smaller ones even harder to find, get into, and play.  Because they won't be able to buy the priority to GET big.

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« Reply #8: September 01, 2010, 10:24:59 am »

By that same token - my chat with someone should be laggy because someone that's paid more wants to download a truckload of porn?  Or watch *approved* TV online?

Plus, if there is such a thing as priority, you KNOW the big games will buy it - making the smaller ones even harder to find, get into, and play.  Because they won't be able to buy the priority to GET big.

I want my NWN!

For the download, maybe.

"Approved" TV, I would hope not. I don't like the idea of "approved" TV.

For the games, I would hope it would be payed directly by the individual player, not the gaming company.

OK, in general, I think that a specific user should be able to pay for higher bandwidth and / or priority of type of traffic. If a user, such as a company conference call, wants to pay more for a non-laggy connection they should be able to over the basic rate conference call.

I don't like the idea of a content provider paying more to push their material easier, although cacheing locally I don't have a problem with. Having a subscriber pay more for a specific channel sure.

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« Reply #9: September 01, 2010, 10:29:27 am »

Having a subscriber pay more for a specific channel sure.


I think I could like with that, but the question is who decides which specific channels are charged more.

The devil is in the details...like it always is.
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« Reply #10: September 01, 2010, 11:14:40 am »

For the download, maybe.

"Approved" TV, I would hope not. I don't like the idea of "approved" TV.

For the games, I would hope it would be payed directly by the individual player, not the gaming company.

OK, in general, I think that a specific user should be able to pay for higher bandwidth and / or priority of type of traffic. If a user, such as a company conference call, wants to pay more for a non-laggy connection they should be able to over the basic rate conference call.

I don't like the idea of a content provider paying more to push their material easier, although cacheing locally I don't have a problem with. Having a subscriber pay more for a specific channel sure.

Paying more for better access doesn't really bother me, though I wish it actually MEANT something.  I'm supposed to have super-fast access, and sometimes .. well ... *grr*

But!  I want it to be I pay, I get what I pay for, regardless of where I go.  I want the same speed to the Cauldron and to my NWN game and my own forum as I get to, say, Comedy Central or other big-name places.  (obviously barring just plain network issues).  I don't want people to be able to pay to get their content prioritized.
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« Reply #11: September 01, 2010, 11:42:25 am »

Paying more for better access doesn't really bother me, though I wish it actually MEANT something.  I'm supposed to have super-fast access, and sometimes .. well ... *grr*

But!  I want it to be I pay, I get what I pay for, regardless of where I go.  I want the same speed to the Cauldron and to my NWN game and my own forum as I get to, say, Comedy Central or other big-name places.  (obviously barring just plain network issues).  I don't want people to be able to pay to get their content prioritized.

I presume you mean that Comedy Central should not be able to pay for faster access. Individual people could pay for faster access to TC or NWN?

I agree that paying more should mean something.

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« Reply #12: September 01, 2010, 11:54:04 am »

I presume you mean that Comedy Central should not be able to pay for faster access. Individual people could pay for faster access to TC or NWN?

I agree that paying more should mean something.



Comedy Central can pay for their server to have better access to the backbone - but it should NOT be able to pay for higher priority ON that backbone.  IMO.
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« Reply #13: September 01, 2010, 12:06:00 pm »

Comedy Central can pay for their server to have better access to the backbone - but it should NOT be able to pay for higher priority ON that backbone.  IMO.

Exactly.  If I am not going to get my service at the rate I am paying for (again barring other issues than the one under discussion) then don't charge me for it!  I pay for comcast broadband speeds - I should get it at every site I visit within their hardware and traffic issues.  It should NOT be decided by whether they pay for priority, because most of the big sites that would pay the most are not sites I visit.  If most of my browsing slows down drastically, then I should get a drastic discount on my internet bill.
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« Reply #14: September 01, 2010, 05:13:13 pm »

Comedy Central can pay for their server to have better access to the backbone - but it should NOT be able to pay for higher priority ON that backbone.  IMO.

Grumble, grumble.

comedy central should not be able to get higher priority on a given "public" network for it's streaming video than any other streaming video.  yet streaming video probably should be higher priority than file transfers or e-mail, and dedicated streaming video users should be paying more than folks who only want lower priority services. 

which then raises the question of "general" users such as most of us. we use a little bit of everything, rather than a lot of a service that could benifit from higher priority (ie video conference) or save us money by letting us accepting a lower priority since we mostly do file transfers that can accept a bit of delay in individual packets.


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