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« Reply #45: November 05, 2010, 10:32:40 am »

There are those who say the Constitution guarantees only protection to the people
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If it is, as they would like you to think, a Christian Nation, then the point is moot since the Biblical mandate to help the poor and suffering is clear

Yes, but the charity is supposed to come from churches so they have a chance to cram religion down your throa...I mean "share the Gospel" with the masses.  Plus, if you get food stamps of comparably discreet government assistance you can't be forced to debase yourself at the local food pantry every week.

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« Reply #46: November 05, 2010, 03:52:52 pm »

Well, for one thing, I think she was pretty much told that she couldn't be on the HC wagon because of the debacle of Hillarycare in the 1990's.  The whole complaint back then was "nobody elected hillary, so why does she get a say in public law".  Had M. Obama been in the middle of the HC debate, it probably would have failed like the Clinton HC reform.

Uh, no.

HillaryCare had a number of major problems. Having major input from the 1st Lady was not one of the major problems.

Having Michelle Obama involved in ObamaCare would bring back bad memories, but would not, by itself, be a killer.
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« Reply #47: November 05, 2010, 04:01:51 pm »

Wasn't Medicare and WIC and a bunch of other programs the result of/part of the War on Poverty?  If so, I'd say he didn't entirely fail.

And I had no idea WIC did cooking classes.  Why the hell would they do away w/something like that, considering the shear potential monetary savings?

I know; that's why I've been trying to teach myself to cook.  It's really slow going, but it's important I learn to pickle my own kale before the zombie apocalypse. Cheesy

WIC is still offering classes, at least in Vermont. Arizona, Chicago (IL), Montana, and Texas.
http://healthvermont.gov/wic/about.aspx

If you are being serious about learning to cook, rather than a joke about the zombies, look for books by Rozanne Gold. I should be able to get you signed book plates. /end of ad
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« Reply #48: November 05, 2010, 04:15:21 pm »

Uh, no.

HillaryCare had a number of major problems. Having major input from the 1st Lady was not one of the major problems.

Having Michelle Obama involved in ObamaCare would bring back bad memories, but would not, by itself, be a killer.

In which case, why are we calling it Hillarycare?

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« Reply #49: November 05, 2010, 04:40:12 pm »

In which case, why are we calling it Hillarycare?



She was the driving force behind the plan. The plan failed on it's merits and the process used to create it. Hillary's status as 1st Lady was irrelevent to it.
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« Reply #50: November 05, 2010, 05:22:31 pm »

She was the driving force behind the plan. The plan failed on it's merits and the process used to create it. Hillary's status as 1st Lady was irrelevent to it.

The Clinton plan failed because of scare tactics by its political opponents and the the money spend by for-profit medical care, drug, and medical insurance companies who would have not been nearly as profitable under the plan.  The actual plan received little real debate, most of the debate was on what the scare commercials and right wing talk shows implied was in the plan -- most of with was NOT in the plan at all.  Something like all the death committee nonsense this time around.

Not that the Clinton plan was perfect -- like every plan, it had problems -- but the actual plan received very little discussion.
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« Reply #51: November 05, 2010, 06:17:43 pm »

The Clinton plan failed because of scare tactics by its political opponents and the the money spend by for-profit medical care, drug, and medical insurance companies who would have not been nearly as profitable under the plan.  The actual plan received little real debate, most of the debate was on what the scare commercials and right wing talk shows implied was in the plan -- most of with was NOT in the plan at all.  Something like all the death committee nonsense this time around.

Not that the Clinton plan was perfect -- like every plan, it had problems -- but the actual plan received very little discussion.

Must depend upon who you live with.
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« Reply #52: November 05, 2010, 10:33:27 pm »

Must depend upon who you live with.

I'm talking about the US population as a whole. The actual plan did not see much discussion from what I can tell. The nonsense in the scare commercials -- lots of discussion.
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« Reply #53: November 05, 2010, 10:34:47 pm »

Scientists--and sometimes even science itself--have been getting hammered by right-wing commentators recently. Now comes the counterattack. A strongly-worded editorial in the prestigious journal Nature starts by quoting Rush Limbaugh: "The four corners of deceit: government, academia, science and media. Those institutions are now corrupt and exist by virtue of deceit. That's how they promulgate themselves; it is how they prosper."


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« Reply #54: November 05, 2010, 11:02:52 pm »

WIC is still offering classes, at least in Vermont. Arizona, Chicago (IL), Montana, and Texas.
http://healthvermont.gov/wic/about.aspx

If you are being serious about learning to cook, rather than a joke about the zombies, look for books by Rozanne Gold. I should be able to get you signed book plates. /end of ad

They don't have them in Missouri.  They have breastfeeding support groups, but no cooking classes.
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« Reply #55: November 05, 2010, 11:17:53 pm »

I'm talking about the US population as a whole. The actual plan did not see much discussion from what I can tell. The nonsense in the scare commercials -- lots of discussion.

Yeah, when your family is involved in health care legislation for 30+ yrs you get a pretty quick analysis and lots of discussion.
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« Reply #56: November 05, 2010, 11:20:26 pm »

They don't have them in Missouri.  They have breastfeeding support groups, but no cooking classes.

It could be that the support services are a block grant to the states. It would be up to each state to decide what options to have; or maybe it requires state matching funds.
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If you are being serious about learning to cook, rather than a joke about the zombies, look for books by Rozanne Gold. I should be able to get you signed book plates. /end of ad

Well, the pickled kale is (mostly) a joke, but learning to cook (and especially to preserve and ferment) isn't; if I don't now, I'll regret it when TSHTF.

*googles Rozanne Gold*

I would check them out of the library before I would buy them (and the only chef who's autograph I could imagine wanting is Alton Brown, but thanks for the offer/pimping Cheesy). 

What I'd really like is a textbook-cookbook that teaches you how to cook different kinds of foods.  Like, one that has a section on beans, and one each on rices, pastas, breads, non-yeast baking, root veg and non-starchy veg and fruits, and it would be really nice if it had a section on tofu/tempeh and that kind of thing, maybe a little section on vegan foods like vital wheat gluten.  Even a unit on using herbs and spices.  Ideally, each section would contain mini-units, which would be like an expanded version of an episode of Good Eats, in that recipes would be interspersed with agricultural, scientific, and other info about the food in question, preferably with plentiful pictures and other visual aids. 

And it would be cool if I could find such a textbook-cookbook that had a similar setup, but with sections on canning, fermenting, basic cheesemaking, and other forms of preservation.  Possibly a little section on homebrew pop, beer and wine.  Maybe a second volume in the series kinda thing.  They would need to be something that had you make each recipe in the book (so it's more about learning to cook than learning a given bunch of recipes), and built on your knowledge from previous sections as you progressed.  Something designed specifically to guide people through teaching themselves how to cook, with enough depth to it that going on to get a more specialized book wouldn't seem quite so overwhelming.  There are a shit-ton of specialized books, but they seem too much.
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In the interest of clarification, I should've added before posting:  a book designed to be text and teacher in one.
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« Reply #59: November 07, 2010, 01:57:25 am »

There are those who say the Constitution guarantees only protection to the people

I think the key word there is "protect". Not "support". (Not that I agree, but I digress.)

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True. But when it becomes convenient, one label get dropped for another. (I am not saying every Christan American does this, or every right-winger.) When thinking on it, it's not exactly a new thing. Doesn't make it any more right, though.
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