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« Reply #60: November 07, 2010, 02:58:47 am »

when it becomes convenient, one label get dropped for another

Some people read the Constitution the same way they read the Bible: take a passage they like out of context and twist it around to fit what they want it to say.

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When thinking on it, it's not exactly a new thing.

Nope, that's mentioned in the Bible too:

Isaiah 10:1-3. "Woe to those who enact evil statutes, and to those who continually record unjust decisions, so as to deprive the needy of justice, and rob the poor of My people of their rights... Now what will you do in the day of punishment, and in the devastation which will come from afar?"

Ezekiel 16:49 "Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food, and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me. Therefore I removed them when I saw it."
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« Reply #61: November 07, 2010, 03:30:14 am »

Isaiah 10:1-3. "Woe to those who enact evil statutes, and to those who continually record unjust decisions, so as to deprive the needy of justice, and rob the poor of My people of their rights... Now what will you do in the day of punishment, and in the devastation which will come from afar?"

Ezekiel 16:49 "Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food, and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me. Therefore I removed them when I saw it."

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« Reply #62: January 02, 2011, 03:36:14 pm »

Scientists--and sometimes even science itself--have been getting hammered by right-wing commentators recently. Now comes the counterattack. A strongly-worded editorial in the prestigious journal Nature starts by quoting Rush Limbaugh: "The four corners of deceit: government, academia, science and media. Those institutions are now corrupt and exist by virtue of deceit. That's how they promulgate themselves; it is how they prosper."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/atlantic/20100910/cm_atlantic/istherightwingantiscience4985_1

I hold the firm belief that Science is, and must be, apolitical.

Politics is all perspective. Built of mass opinions.

Science is tangent, able to study, and the findings attributed to Science, will remain there despite the Will of any who oppose it.

Some people may not agree with Evolution. Some even vehemently oppose it. But that does not change the fact Biological Evolution occurred, and will continue.
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« Reply #63: June 13, 2011, 12:50:08 am »

I hold the firm belief that Science is, and must be, apolitical.

Politics is all perspective. Built of mass opinions.

Science is tangent, able to study, and the findings attributed to Science, will remain there despite the Will of any who oppose it.

Some people may not agree with Evolution. Some even vehemently oppose it. But that does not change the fact Biological Evolution occurred, and will continue.

Also, creationism is not right wing. Its unfortunate that those kinds of anti-intellectuals have taken over the conservative movement.
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« Reply #64: June 13, 2011, 02:29:38 am »

Also, creationism is not right wing. Its unfortunate that those kinds of anti-intellectuals have taken over the conservative movement.

I would agree that it's not necessarily synonymous with the right wing - you would still be extremely hard pressed to find a large proportion of the left claiming it as fact. Just sayin'.
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« Reply #65: June 13, 2011, 07:34:36 am »

I would agree that it's not necessarily synonymous with the right wing - you would still be extremely hard pressed to find a large proportion of the left claiming it as fact. Just sayin'.

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« Reply #66: June 13, 2011, 08:37:23 am »

As for deceit and science...?  How about the giant international swindle that is man-made global warming?

Sure, and the theory of evolution is just liberal propaganda against the Judeo-Christian morals of America  Roll Eyes

Gotta love it when people are informed by those idiot right wing pundits, at least as a source of entertainment. I wonder if anyone has told Bill O'Reilly yet that the moon's gravitational pull controls the tides, not an unexplainable miracle performed by God. It's quite evident Republicans are anti-intellectual in every way, as they would rather live in their fundamentalist bubble than think rationally. They're proud of their ignorance. I saw a video posted online a while ago, I think from Glenn Beck's website, basically saying that universities are just places of liberal indoctrination. Heaven forbid young people become aware of the world and involved in social justice issues. Better to speak in tongues and salute a cardboard image of Dubya, I suppose.
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« Reply #67: June 13, 2011, 06:18:40 pm »

It's quite evident Republicans are anti-intellectual in every way, as they would rather live in their fundamentalist bubble than think rationally.
So are you handwaving aside those Republicans who are not fundamentalist Christians, or do you just think they don't exist?  Because there are, in fact, Republicans who are mainline Protestants, or Catholic, or atheist, or Jewish, or even Pagan (like the one you quoted - who, incidentally, has these folders on ignore, so you're taking potshots at someone who can't answer).

"Republican", "anti-intellectual", and "fundamentalist" are three different circles in the Venn diagram.  There may have come to be large overlaps, but they're not the same thing.

(Full disclosure:  I'm progressive/liberal myself - but I hate like hell when right-wing types conflate me and all other left-leaners in that way, and I don't think it's either just or useful to do it to the right-leaners.)

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« Reply #68: June 13, 2011, 07:53:45 pm »

So are you handwaving aside those Republicans who are not fundamentalist Christians, or do you just think they don't exist?  Because there are, in fact, Republicans who are mainline Protestants, or Catholic, or atheist, or Jewish, or even Pagan (like the one you quoted - who, incidentally, has these folders on ignore, so you're taking potshots at someone who can't answer).

"Republican", "anti-intellectual", and "fundamentalist" are three different circles in the Venn diagram.  There may have come to be large overlaps, but they're not the same thing.

(Full disclosure:  I'm progressive/liberal myself - but I hate like hell when right-wing types conflate me and all other left-leaners in that way, and I don't think it's either just or useful to do it to the right-leaners.)

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Well, the Republican Party has its origins in Evangelical Christianity, formed as a reaction to the separation of church and state in the constitution (which must be why they still have trouble grasping that concept). At first they did decent things in the name of pushing their Evangelical agenda, like ending slavery and promoting literacy for everyone (so they could read the Bible for themselves), but now they've gone a little crazy, if the Fox News pundits are any indication. I figure Republicans are either fundamentalist Evangelicals (culturally if not religiously), greedy corporate douchebags, or just plain old delusional. I wish I were just stereotyping, but I've known many Republicans, and my categories are pretty accurate, if politically incorrect.

I quoted that poster because she participated in the discussion. If she chooses to ignore discussions after she's posted something in them, that's her prerogative.
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« Reply #69: June 13, 2011, 08:17:41 pm »

Well, the Republican Party has its origins in Evangelical Christianity, formed as a reaction to the separation of church and state in the constitution (which must be why they still have trouble grasping that concept). At first they did decent things in the name of pushing their Evangelical agenda, like ending slavery and promoting literacy for everyone (so they could read the Bible for themselves), but now they've gone a little crazy, if the Fox News pundits are any indication.

Not exactly.  The Republican Party was founded on a strictly anti-slavery platform.  To be more precise, it was founded in response to the Kansas-Nebraska Act which stated that the settlers in the territories can decide for themselves if they want slavery or not.  They adopted the fiscal platform of the Whigs and Federalists that preceeded them and is pretty much the successor of those two parties (neither of which were particularly religious in nature -- or at least not more religious as the other party).  Religion didn't really have much to do with it (the first Republican President, Lincoln, didn't belong to any specific denomination of Christianity).  It was only until the 1960's when they began to attract the fundie vote (due in no small part to the South shifting to the Republicans when the Democrats began supporting the Civil Rights Movement).

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I figure Republicans are either fundamentalist Evangelicals (culturally if not religiously), greedy corporate douchebags, or just plain old delusional. I wish I were just stereotyping, but I've known many Republicans, and my categories are pretty accurate, if politically incorrect.

While I don't agree or even like the Republican Party, I would be the first to admit that this is an over-generalization and probably getting close to being a blanket attack on a group.

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I quoted that poster because she participated in the discussion. If she chooses to ignore discussions after she's posted something in them, that's her prerogative.

She also hasn't been around since February and probably isn't coming back.
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« Reply #70: June 13, 2011, 08:25:53 pm »

I figure Republicans are either fundamentalist Evangelicals (culturally if not religiously), greedy corporate douchebags, or just plain old delusional. I wish I were just stereotyping, but I've known many Republicans, and my categories are pretty accurate, if politically incorrect.


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