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« Topic Start: September 20, 2010, 07:07:06 pm »

I was thinking a bit about Jung today, and even though he was a psychologist, what he said reaches into philosophy and religion. Every now and then someone here may reference something about Shadow People, but otherwise Jungian ideas seem to be a poor fit for many of the belief systems here. Does that sound accurate?

I was wondering what value you find in Jung's ideas of Collective Unconscious, arechetypes, etc, if any. Does any of it have meaning for you? Did it at one time, but no longer?

I am mostly asking those who are polytheist, especially hard polytheist, although of course any input is welcome!
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« Reply #1: September 20, 2010, 07:19:36 pm »

I was thinking a bit about Jung today, and even though he was a psychologist, what he said reaches into philosophy and religion. Every now and then someone here may reference something about Shadow People, but otherwise Jungian ideas seem to be a poor fit for many of the belief systems here. Does that sound accurate?

I was wondering what value you find in Jung's ideas of Collective Unconscious, arechetypes, etc, if any. Does any of it have meaning for you? Did it at one time, but no longer?

(note that when people mention Shadow People here, they are most likely talking about a paranormal phenomena.  I'm not quite sure how that related to the Shadow Archetype)

I'm a hard polytheist so I tend to view Jung's ideas as something that may be useful to those that believe them, but my gods would smack me if I even entertain the idea.
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« Reply #2: September 21, 2010, 12:52:17 pm »

I was thinking a bit about Jung today, and even though he was a psychologist, what he said reaches into philosophy and religion. Every now and then someone here may reference something about Shadow People, but otherwise Jungian ideas seem to be a poor fit for many of the belief systems here. Does that sound accurate?

I was wondering what value you find in Jung's ideas of Collective Unconscious, arechetypes, etc, if any. Does any of it have meaning for you? Did it at one time, but no longer?

I am mostly asking those who are polytheist, especially hard polytheist, although of course any input is welcome!

I've used a lot of his ideas as starting places for Flamekeeping - there's a lot more I have NOT used, of course!  But there are bits and pieces that I've found very useful - most of all, the confronting one's own Shadow concept.

Not fond of his monomyth structure, but some of his ideas are .. interesting.
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« Reply #3: September 21, 2010, 02:23:45 pm »

I was wondering what value you find in Jung's ideas of Collective Unconscious, arechetypes, etc, if any. Does any of it have meaning for you? Did it at one time, but no longer?

I am mostly asking those who are polytheist, especially hard polytheist, although of course any input is welcome!

When I was doing research on the Traveller's Guide to the Duat, I read a couple of Jungian interpretations of the Amduat (including one written in collaboration with an Egyptologist).  I think that they were damned good.  That is, however, an extremely limited focus thing!
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« Reply #4: September 26, 2010, 04:08:15 pm »


I was wondering what value you find in Jung's ideas of Collective Unconscious, arechetypes, etc, if any. Does any of it have meaning for you? Did it at one time, but no longer?



I think Jung was a rather wise individual with a lot to say that remains applicable and pertinent, although I doubt that I would claim he was 100 percent correct in everything he had to say... he was human and therefore falliable! lol I can also say though, that I have found his concept of "Shadow Self" relates very well to the Native American concept of some Totems being Shadow Totems; appearing specifically to help us break through our own Shadow Self to emerge enlightened, stronger, more perceptive.
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« Reply #5: September 28, 2010, 06:40:02 am »

When I was doing research on the Traveller's Guide to the Duat, I read a couple of Jungian interpretations of the Amduat (including one written in collaboration with an Egyptologist).  I think that they were damned good.  That is, however, an extremely limited focus thing!

Ooh references please?
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« Reply #6: September 28, 2010, 09:04:34 pm »

Ooh references please?

Um.  *digs up the Guide draft to just copy out of the bibliography*

Abt, Theodor and Hornung, Erik.  Knowledge for the Afterlife: The Egyptian Amduat - A Quest for Immortality.  Zurich: Living Human Heritage Publications, 2003.

Schweizer, Andreas.  The Sungod's Journey Through the Netherworld: Reading the Ancient Egyptian Amduat.  Ithaca, New York: Cornell University Press, 2010.
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« Reply #7: September 28, 2010, 09:08:56 pm »

Ooh references please?

These books basically do a "descent into the underworld" read of the Amduat that can be interpreted as initiatory, psychological, mental healing, etc.  Since the text is initiatory - if nothing else, of the spirit of the dead who wishes to become Wesir, but I would be surprised if there were not mysteries apprehended by the living there - I think this is still respectful of the mythology.

Hell, "Ra is a symbol of your conscious awareness" is pretty much what all of the "I AM RA, DO WHAT I SAY" texts in Egyptian magic are doing.  So perhaps the idea that this is a functional approach is particularly suited to the weirdnesses of Egyptian magical practice.
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« Reply #8: September 28, 2010, 11:23:38 pm »

These books basically do a "descent into the underworld" read of the Amduat that can be interpreted as initiatory, psychological, mental healing, etc. 

THANKS. Am very keen on this sort of initiatory reading...when I get round to it.  Smiley
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