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« Topic Start: September 20, 2010, 08:07:57 pm »

I was wondering if there are any sort of stone age reconstructionist religions out there. I am not referring to Wicca.


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« Reply #1: September 20, 2010, 08:11:28 pm »

I was wondering if there are any sort of stone age reconstructionist religions out there. I am not referring to Wicca.


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I would hope you're not referring to Wicca - it's hardly related to anything from the stone age. Wink

I think given the fact we have very little archaeological evidence surviving from that far back in human history, we know equally little about the culture and religion of people at that time. Any sort of reconstruction would therefore be impossible. We just don't have the puzzle pieces to reconstruct.
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« Reply #2: September 20, 2010, 08:18:22 pm »

I would hope you're not referring to Wicca - it's hardly related to anything from the stone age. Wink

I think given the fact we have very little archaeological evidence surviving from that far back in human history, we know equally little about the culture and religion of people at that time. Any sort of reconstruction would therefore be impossible. We just don't have the puzzle pieces to reconstruct.

Yeah. Wicca is not reconstructionist. Some people get that wrong, though.

It's too bad we know so little, but I think we know enough to recreate a lot of it. So maybe a sort of religion based of of it?


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« Reply #3: September 20, 2010, 08:32:10 pm »

I was wondering if there are any sort of stone age reconstructionist religions out there. I am not referring to Wicca.
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You may want to look into those who are trying to reconstruct the Proto-Indo-European religions. At this point it's mostly a matter of figuring out what we know of the Indo-Europeans, and tracing back the commonalities. It will probably be a long while before there is a workable system though, if that's EVER possible -- right now it's primarily an intellectual/archaeological exercise.

You may also wish to look at the beliefs and practices of animist cultures that still exist, such as the Aboriginal Australians.

Neither of those is "stone age," but right now I doubt that's something you can pursue except theoretically.
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« Reply #4: September 20, 2010, 09:12:18 pm »


In Hindusim class we've tried to trace the roots of the religion back as far as possible. Prior to the Aryans' arrival (an Indo-European culture) were a Dravidian culture that we know at least a little about. (Animistic religion, women may have played a more egalitarian role than in the incoming IE culture, the beginning practices that would later develop into the various schools of yoga, etc.)

You might in some cases be able to discover traces of older cultures, but we don't have the data to say anything definitively about most Stone Age cultures, much less Stone Age culture in general.
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« Reply #5: September 20, 2010, 10:31:07 pm »

In Hindusim class we've tried to trace the roots of the religion back as far as possible. Prior to the Aryans' arrival (an Indo-European culture) were a Dravidian culture that we know at least a little about. (Animistic religion, women may have played a more egalitarian role than in the incoming IE culture, the beginning practices that would later develop into the various schools of yoga, etc.)

You might in some cases be able to discover traces of older cultures, but we don't have the data to say anything definitively about most Stone Age cultures, much less Stone Age culture in general.

Most theories on paleolithic religion is based on inference from archeological remains and comparison with indigenous tribal religious groups, so far as I have seen. A lot of assertion, and little known fact.
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« Reply #6: September 21, 2010, 03:42:51 am »

It's too bad we know so little, but I think we know enough to recreate a lot of it.

Actually, no.
There are archaeological findings.

From those one may reconstruct with some degree of certainty what food stone age folks ate, what diseases they had, what age they could reach, how they made housing and so on.

One can even assume that they might have believed in some kind of afterlife, due to the way they buried their dead.
But there starts the guesswork.

I guess the problem is, that a lot of archaeologists let themselves be carried away with that guesswork and some ideas sunk into popular believe.

That doesnt mean, you cant take the findings and invent something for yourself that works just wonderfully.
And it does not mean that this isnt a valid path then. But it is hardly reconstructed or recreated.

Here is something you could do.
First decide what period of the stone age you are interested in (and what you are looking for in religion in detail.)

Then look into modern "stone age" cultures. Some survived til the last century (the ones still existing, have not yet had the doubtful pleasure of meeting us.) Still you might find it difficult because all the records are made from a ethnologist pov.
And it is known that sometimes the ethnologists legs were pulled by indigenous people, so even that source provides no total certainty.

I am not trying to be a killjoy here, I just want to note, that if you come across someone claiming to have a (original) stone age related religion, they made it up. And that is something you might as well do for yourself, that is the best customizing anyway. Wink
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« Reply #7: September 21, 2010, 01:45:27 pm »

Actually, no.
There are archaeological findings.

From those one may reconstruct with some degree of certainty what food stone age folks ate, what diseases they had, what age they could reach, how they made housing and so on.

One can even assume that they might have believed in some kind of afterlife, due to the way they buried their dead.
But there starts the guesswork.

I guess the problem is, that a lot of archaeologists let themselves be carried away with that guesswork and some ideas sunk into popular believe.

That doesnt mean, you cant take the findings and invent something for yourself that works just wonderfully.
And it does not mean that this isnt a valid path then. But it is hardly reconstructed or recreated.

Here is something you could do.
First decide what period of the stone age you are interested in (and what you are looking for in religion in detail.)

Then look into modern "stone age" cultures. Some survived til the last century (the ones still existing, have not yet had the doubtful pleasure of meeting us.) Still you might find it difficult because all the records are made from a ethnologist pov.
And it is known that sometimes the ethnologists legs were pulled by indigenous people, so even that source provides no total certainty.

I am not trying to be a killjoy here, I just want to note, that if you come across someone claiming to have a (original) stone age related religion, they made it up. And that is something you might as well do for yourself, that is the best customizing anyway. Wink


Yes, that was what I was thinking, a religion based off of Stone Age culture, but not exactly reconstructionist because of the lack of definite findings. You were not at all killjoy. In fact, you stated exactly what I was thinking! Smiley


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« Reply #8: September 21, 2010, 02:05:23 pm »


Yes, that was what I was thinking, a religion based off of Stone Age culture, but not exactly reconstructionist because of the lack of definite findings. You were not at all killjoy. In fact, you stated exactly what I was thinking! Smiley


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Out of curiosity, what's peaked your interest about the Stone Age, and which culture were you looking at in particular?
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« Reply #9: September 21, 2010, 02:15:16 pm »

Out of curiosity, what's peaked your interest about the Stone Age, and which culture were you looking at in particular?

I've always felt connected to the Stone Age, since I was very little. A lot of what is thought to be part of their religion fits my beliefs well...Everything is through will mostly, Animals are Equal...even higher up in some regards, A lot of the shamanism and animism. Many Gods, many Spirits. So on. I was looking into the Mesolithic and Neolithic, but have not found much specifics regarding those...

I still feel very drawn to Slavic Paganism, however, and have by no means abandoned that as a possible path as well.


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« Reply #10: September 22, 2010, 12:28:17 am »

You may want to look into those who are trying to reconstruct the Proto-Indo-European religions.

If this is interesting to you, you might find this website and this book useful.
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