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« Topic Start: September 24, 2010, 06:47:55 pm »

So, I've been reading on this forum, and I've noticed something. I keep seeing references to people having Gods "approach" them. This is inconceivable. I just don't get how one can meet, speak to, be approached by, the gods. I mean, they're deities, above human scope. It might be jealousy, but can someone explain this?
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« Reply #1: September 24, 2010, 07:43:25 pm »

So, I've been reading on this forum, and I've noticed something. I keep seeing references to people having Gods "approach" them. This is inconceivable. I just don't get how one can meet, speak to, be approached by, the gods. I mean, they're deities, above human scope. It might be jealousy, but can someone explain this?

It's not as though we meet at the coffee shop and chat over a warm cuppa. What these people are talking about is how a specific deity has made overtures to them in various ways so as to be worshiped by said person. In return, we are taken care of in general ways and we're given the protective feeling of always being watched over. It aids in our spiritual growth and amongst other things, (and IMHO) makes us feel special.

How deities approach people is entirely specific to the person and the deity. How long it takes to realize that a god or goddess is trying to get your attention depends upon the person, their knowledge, and the deity in question. If/When you get thwapped (that's when a god decides to patron you), you'll know it.
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« Reply #2: September 24, 2010, 07:48:27 pm »

So, I've been reading on this forum, and I've noticed something. I keep seeing references to people having Gods "approach" them. This is inconceivable. I just don't get how one can meet, speak to, be approached by, the gods. I mean, they're deities, above human scope. It might be jealousy, but can someone explain this?

I don't consider my deities outside human scope. In fact, I view my deities in very similar terms as I do my human friends. It's not a superiority-inferiority relationship - it's one between friends, or mentors and mentees.
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« Reply #3: September 24, 2010, 07:51:48 pm »

So, I've been reading on this forum, and I've noticed something. I keep seeing references to people having Gods "approach" them. This is inconceivable. I just don't get how one can meet, speak to, be approached by, the gods. I mean, they're deities, above human scope. It might be jealousy, but can someone explain this?

In many cultures, historically Gods have always gotten involved with people.

It just never seems to have worked out that well for the specific people involved most of the time.

Maybe things are different now?

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« Reply #4: September 24, 2010, 07:56:18 pm »

In many cultures, historically Gods have always gotten involved with people.

It just never seems to have worked out that well for the specific people involved most of the time.

Maybe things are different now?

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God, I hope so. Otherwise I'd be a tad more worried with Pan as a patron. Wink
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« Reply #5: September 24, 2010, 08:23:14 pm »

Sorry if this was a stupid question, I was just kinda confused. It makes more sense now.
Thanks for the help.
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« Reply #6: September 24, 2010, 08:25:42 pm »

Sorry if this was a stupid question, I was just kinda confused. It makes more sense now.
Thanks for the help.

Only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. Figuring out the nature of deity/deities can be tricky, and a lot of people can approach it from different ways.
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« Reply #7: September 24, 2010, 11:36:51 pm »

In many cultures, historically Gods have always gotten involved with people.

It just never seems to have worked out that well for the specific people involved most of the time.

Maybe things are different now?
Or maybe it's just that, when it goes reasonably well, it doesn't make as good a story.

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« Reply #8: September 25, 2010, 12:19:41 am »

I just don't get how one can meet, speak to, be approached by, the gods. I mean, they're deities, above human scope. It might be jealousy, but can someone explain this?

There are a number of stories posted here on TC by people who have experienced this.  I'd suggest reading through some of the threads in the Gods and Goddesses folder, for starters.
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« Reply #9: September 25, 2010, 12:35:00 am »

Or maybe it's just that, when it goes reasonably well, it doesn't make as good a story.

I'd put a vote in for this one.  We have a bit of Egyptian text in which a guy talks about how Hetharu visited him in a dream, and he refers to Her by a familiar name and otherwise seems to have an active, possibly ecstatic relationship with Her.  (Ordinary guy, not a king or anything.  Relationships between royalty and gods are a dime a dozen in AE.)

No oh-the-drama to the guy, just a lot of YAY BEAUTIFUL LADY.

And it's a story to us moderns only because that sort of stuff doesn't get written down a lot.
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« Reply #10: September 26, 2010, 08:42:51 pm »

So, I've been reading on this forum, and I've noticed something. I keep seeing references to people having Gods "approach" them. This is inconceivable. I just don't get how one can meet, speak to, be approached by, the gods. I mean, they're deities, above human scope. It might be jealousy, but can someone explain this?

I completely understand where you are coming from. I still don't understand it fully myself. Over many months I did not know how to go about "approaching" a deity or initiating some sort of relationship with one. Then Hecate and Diana came to me in a dream. It was not a oh wow, I just had a conversation with a deity kind of thing. It was more.. normal. I guess sometimes we have to be patient. I'm still new to my path and would not say I have a relationship with Hecate or Diana, but I think I can better understand what people mean by getting approached now.
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« Reply #11: September 29, 2010, 12:08:22 am »

So, I've been reading on this forum, and I've noticed something. I keep seeing references to people having Gods "approach" them. This is inconceivable. I just don't get how one can meet, speak to, be approached by, the gods. I mean, they're deities, above human scope. It might be jealousy, but can someone explain this?

I had exactly the same problem  Cheesy .  I've always had a really weird sense of hierarchy, so it took a long time for me to adjust to the fact that, yes, I can just ask a higher being if they'd like a cookie, since I have some nice, fresh-baked ones handy, or just say "I'm having a problem, do you mind listening".  And from that, as well, there was this whole feeling of "why would they want to listen to me?  Surely they've got better things to do?"  I'm still getting over that, actually.

I think it was put best by...HeartShadow?  Or was it Juni?  Please tell me if I've misattributed - that many of the gods come from boasting cultures.  If you talked to someone who was very important, you had to tell them how 'rad and awesome' you were so that they'd know why they were bothering to talk to you.  Now, this may not apply exactly, but I find it useful to think about.  Why would the gods want to try to help someone who wasn't willing to try and help themselves?  I think they like us to stand on our own two feet a bit.  It may seem weird, but in the end, it's like talking to a teacher.  As someone who has happily held conversations with any and all teachers, no matter how uncool it was, I can tell you that you get so much more if you talk to them, yes, like they're superior to you, but also like they are friends.  I don't know the word to describe it.  But some of the times when I've learnt the most from my teachers was when I walked up and asked them about something random, and half an hour later, I had about three pages of calculations on infinite numbers, plus a book recommendation and instructions to find out more about a particular theory on my own and come back and tell them what I'd found.  Same with the gods.  If you just do what they ask everyone to do, then you don't get as much as if you try and connect even further, and then you can also ask them for things with more confidence.

Wow, that was longer than I expected.  Hope it made sense...
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« Reply #12: September 29, 2010, 08:36:26 am »

So, I've been reading on this forum, and I've noticed something. I keep seeing references to people having Gods "approach" them. This is inconceivable. I just don't get how one can meet, speak to, be approached by, the gods. I mean, they're deities, above human scope. It might be jealousy, but can someone explain this?

I've had this problem too, and I'll accredit a lot of it to jealousy as well.  I'm beginning to understand how this happens to others; the more I read, the more conceivable the idea.  I know it hasn't happened to me yet because I'm not ready.  My beliefs are still in their infancy stage, just sort of vague ideas that I've had for years.  I imagine once I refine my beliefs further, I'll be more receptive to developing a relationship with a deity, and once that's realized by a higher power, they'll likely come to me.  Or so I hope.  Smiley
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« Reply #13: September 29, 2010, 08:56:22 am »

Sorry if this was a stupid question, I was just kinda confused. It makes more sense now.
Thanks for the help.

It is not a dumb question.
Only a logical one.

I cant speak for the other folk around here, but mostly it is not as spectacular as it sounds, if I say: My Goddess told me this or that. This sounds like: woah, mystical, mysterious, great thing - but it is often much more ordinary.

It is the minds voice, that you know does not belong to you.
So either it is my Goddess or I do have a serious problem.  Cheesy

Since I am a pretty much down to earth person, I choose to belief that my Goddess is talking to me - sometimes - and that I am not that crazy. Wink

And dreams are a communication possibility too.
Others are divination and meditation.

So, yeah, it might does sound impressing, but I can say, that I needed quite my time to realize that there was this Lady taking interest in me. It is not like trumpets sound and angels singing or whatever. Wink
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« Reply #14: September 29, 2010, 09:03:27 am »

It is not a dumb question.
Only a logical one.

I cant speak for the other folk around here, but mostly it is not as spectacular as it sounds, if I say: My Goddess told me this or that. This sounds like: woah, mystical, mysterious, great thing - but it is often much more ordinary.

Hear, hear!  For me, the times it gets truly mystical are the times when I'm being smacked "upside the head"...and I'd like to say I could do without that, thank you!  Unfortunately (or fortunately?), with my goddess it comes with the territory.

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