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« Reply #45: June 08, 2011, 03:22:36 am »

Well, I have been considering myself an Eclectic Pagan since my beliefs draw from many different sources and no one specific tradition. When I read some of Moura's books, specifically "Grimoire for the Green Witch", my beliefs seemed to be very close to those presented in the book. I also liked how it seemed to be a structured tradition without putting too much restriction on the practitioner. For example, the reconstructed traditions, from what I've see, are all about reconstructing the beliefs and practices of one specific Pantheon; and I tend to lean against this belief as I view all Goddesses and Gods as facets of one Goddess and God who are in turn the two halves of One Spirit. With all of that being said, looking at it from this perspective, perhaps the reason why I was attracted to Moura's tradition was because it has so many eclectic themes and I am still undecided on what tradition of Paganism I want to practice. I admit, researching different traditions is something new for me. I guess my goal with this search is just to find more structure in my path? I'm kind of embarrassed that I've been Pagan for two years and I don't have a specific path.

I think it'd be a good thing to develop your own path and then see if anything fits it, at least that's my opinion and what I'm sorta doing now.
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« Reply #46: June 08, 2011, 07:57:09 am »


I've been Pagan over four years and I'm still crafting my path. Smiley Right now I've settled on things that I practice and labels I apply to myself - I'm a Neo-Druid working within ADF's framework, incorporating bits of eclectic Wicca that strike my fancy, delving into witchcraft (separate from Wicca, for the most part) while honoring Brighid (and Manannán now, too) as my primary deity - but no one single path is the totality of who I am. Everything is being melded together into something unique and fitting to who I am and what I need. I've also been through many changes in my religious career, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's all part of the exploration process. It takes awhile to get to know who you are. Grin

As far as Ann Moura goes, I looked at the Amazon page for her book and found this tidbit:

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You will also learn the basic tenets of Witchcraft as focused in the Witches' Rede, the Charge of the Goddess, the Law of Return, and more. This book also teaches you how to do magical rituals and celebratory rites. Included are complete versions of rites for the major Wiccan holidays such as Imbolc and Ostara. Other rites – which include how to do the ritual and what to say – are rituals for the Full Moon, Paganing, Handfasting, and more.

It sounds like Moura was presenting her form of Wicca as witchcraft. You'll notice that I keep separating the two. Wicca is a religion that sometimes uses magic. There are certain pieces of theology and liturgy that make something Wiccan, like honoring a Lord and a Lady, casting circles, working with the four directions/elements, the Law of Return, etc.

Witchcraft, on the other hand, is a craft, a practice, and it really isn't structured. People have made structured witchcraft religions, it's true, but I don't think Moura owns the idea of "green witchcraft." (People who know more than me - did Moura come up with the term? Even if she did, I think it's gone beyond her book, now.) Her book is presenting what looks like a form of Wicca with certain focus points, but it is not the only way to do things. If you like it, though, there's no reason not to try it out and see how it fits.
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« Reply #48: June 08, 2011, 09:22:38 am »


Upon further reading of the Amazon page I found this tidbit:

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For example, did you know that the ancient roots of Wicca can be traced all the way back to ancient India? You can find this amazing history in Green Witchcraft (the author majored in history and used to be a history instructor).

This is sending up major red flags for me concerning Moura's book. That's incorrect history, right there.
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« Reply #49: June 08, 2011, 10:42:33 am »

This is sending up major red flags for me concerning Moura's book. That's incorrect history, right there.

This "alternate version" of  history is the focus of her book "Origins of Modern Witchcraft" where it is served up as fact -- and with a good-sized helping of attacks on most religions not her own. Sad
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« Reply #50: June 08, 2011, 11:18:30 am »

This "alternate version" of  history is the focus of her book "Origins of Modern Witchcraft" where it is served up as fact -- and with a good-sized helping of attacks on most religions not her own. Sad

I'm going to guess it's of a slightly different caliber than Triumph of the Moon.
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« Reply #51: June 08, 2011, 05:16:05 pm »

I'm going to guess it's of a slightly different caliber than Triumph of the Moon.

It uses the same technique Holy Blood, Holy Grail does. Something is discussed as possible in one chapter then all later chapters assume that it is not just possible but true.
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« Reply #52: June 08, 2011, 06:09:46 pm »

(People who know more than me - did Moura come up with the term? Even if she did, I think it's gone beyond her book, now.)
I was hearing it from time to time from people as a personal descriptor of their paths long before I ever heard of her - and seeing it in fictional works (f'ex, Andre Norton's "Witch World" series of books) long before that.

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« Reply #53: June 08, 2011, 06:24:03 pm »

It uses the same technique Holy Blood, Holy Grail does. Something is discussed as possible in one chapter then all later chapters assume that it is not just possible but true.

I have that book, it's definitely not one of my favourite books about religion.

My uncle gave it to me when I was becoming interested in Christianity a while back, figured it would snap me out of it, but it was such a piece of tripe that it didn't work at all.
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