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« Reply #30: November 11, 2010, 04:24:43 pm »

A crucifix on the wall is a major statement.

But it's also a piece of the environment, like your choice of car, your choice of solar panels, the windmill in the backyard, etc.  You don't bring it up, but it's there for the other person to ask about.
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« Reply #31: November 11, 2010, 04:53:34 pm »

Are you missing a "not"?

It looks like I am. Fixed it. Thank you for pointing it out.
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« Reply #32: November 11, 2010, 04:53:53 pm »

Short version: someone telling others how Jesus Christ has affected them, and their life, (some may even tell you how your life can be changed by accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior).

Also, the act of trying to convert someone through whatever possible means.
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« Reply #33: November 11, 2010, 07:54:57 pm »

But it's also a piece of the environment, like your choice of car, your choice of solar panels, the windmill in the backyard, etc.  You don't bring it up, but it's there for the other person to ask about.

A crucifix on the wall, has one purpose, to proclaim this is a Christian place.  It does not get on the wall by itself, if someone rents a place, they might not be able to take it down, without the landlord permission.  If the place is bought, the new owner has the choice, of leaving it up, or taking it down.

I would like to point out that a Crucifix has the figure of Christ on it, a Cross does not. The cross while is showing that those having it are Christian, and can be just decoration, the Crucifix is never just decoration.
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« Reply #34: November 11, 2010, 08:23:20 pm »

A crucifix on the wall, has one purpose, to proclaim this is a Christian place.  It does not get on the wall by itself, if someone rents a place, they might not be able to take it down, without the landlord permission.  If the place is bought, the new owner has the choice, of leaving it up, or taking it down.

I would like to point out that a Crucifix has the figure of Christ on it, a Cross does not. The cross while is showing that those having it are Christian, and can be just decoration, the Crucifix is never just decoration.

But that's the point of a silent ministry.  It sits there and yells at you without the people having to say anything.  How else are you going to know to ask?

The choice of car, solar panels, windmill, etc, proclaim something about you as well, inviting persons to talk to you about it.  Humvee with a gun rack vs Prius with a gun rack, invites different questions and says different things about you. It's not religious, but it still is a silent witnessing to how you live.
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« Reply #35: November 11, 2010, 08:35:21 pm »

But that's the point of a silent ministry.  It sits there and yells at you without the people having to say anything.  How else are you going to know to ask?

The choice of car, solar panels, windmill, etc, proclaim something about you as well, inviting persons to talk to you about it.  Humvee with a gun rack vs Prius with a gun rack, invites different questions and says different things about you. It's not religious, but it still is a silent witnessing to how you live.

just because it is 'silent' does not mean that it isn't in your face and obvious, it just means that the  cues are set out there for you to trip over and comment about, thus allowing it to be you that brings it up, thus showing your interest and allowing them to do overt witnessing.

Another method of silent witness is the "live so people will notice how happy you are and want some of it, thus asking you about it."  Not very many people really achieve this one.

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« Reply #36: November 11, 2010, 09:10:58 pm »

Have you considered, that you may be one of those, they are trying to covert to the light?
Um, yep... now that they know I'm not Christian.  It wasn't a subject we had broached before.  Well, not entirely true.. I listened to them talk about their deep faith in Christ etc.  I didn't burst into flames or anything, so I guess I didn't really hit their radar at the time.   Cheesy
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« Reply #37: November 11, 2010, 09:22:23 pm »

In a way I understand their POV.  To them, if you aren't saved then you are going to spend eternity in hell when you die.  Not all, but most Christians, that I know at least, take this very seriously and truly care about the fate of the people around them. 

Now that something has been said and changes made you might have a legal leg to stand on in the future, if you decide to stay.  If nothing else you might have a clause drawn up in addition to your original contract stating something to the fact that you will not take part in any ministry attempts, silent or otherwise, that the owners choose to conduct within the work setting.  And I would personally specify that I could choose my own music, etc. while working with patients.  Things of that nature.  And most importantly ... that if they violate your right to NOT be a part of their ministry that the contract would be considered violated on their end and that you could leave without notice and without having to uphold the non-compete clause.  That might be a good compromise.  They are free to minister as long as you are not involved nor expected to take part, silent or otherwise, and you are free to do your job without feeling pressured by them to conform to their religious beliefs. 
I do think they made this choice with as good intentions as they could have.  If I am preventing them from doing this by being there, then I will feel bad.  Truly, I am the last one to stand in someone's way of doing what they feel they need to do.  Unless, of course it involves me in ways I don't approve of.  I am more than happy to step aside and let them do what they feel they need to do. 

Pursuing any legal action has zero appeal to me.  Aside from the intense dislike I have for lawyers, this would be something that could get way out of proportion and could create a huge disturbance in this small of a town.

Your suggestion of a revised contract is a very good one.  I am still considering what to do.  Today we were back on the Jazz music channel.  "I will not compromise on this" is still ringing in my head at this point...  whiskey... tango... foxtrot was going through my head a lot today.
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« Reply #38: November 11, 2010, 09:23:57 pm »

just because it is 'silent' does not mean that it isn't in your face and obvious, it just means that the  cues are set out there for you to trip over and comment about, thus allowing it to be you that brings it up, thus showing your interest and allowing them to do overt witnessing.

Which means they don't waste time on people who aren't interested (and don't waste the time of those who aren't interested). Seems like like a win for all to me. It's really does not seem any different from a Wiccan who wears an obvious pentacle -- which might attract the attention of fellow Wiccans and those who are interested in learning more about Wicca.
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« Reply #39: November 11, 2010, 10:05:00 pm »

Um, yep... now that they know I'm not Christian.  It wasn't a subject we had broached before.  Well, not entirely true.. I listened to them talk about their deep faith in Christ etc.  I didn't burst into flames or anything, so I guess I didn't really hit their radar at the time.   Cheesy

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« Reply #40: November 11, 2010, 10:45:59 pm »

I do think they made this choice with as good intentions as they could have.  If I am preventing them from doing this by being there, then I will feel bad.  Truly, I am the last one to stand in someone's way of doing what they feel they need to do.  Unless, of course it involves me in ways I don't approve of.  I am more than happy to step aside and let them do what they feel they need to do. 

Pursuing any legal action has zero appeal to me.  Aside from the intense dislike I have for lawyers, this would be something that could get way out of proportion and could create a huge disturbance in this small of a town.

Your suggestion of a revised contract is a very good one.  I am still considering what to do.  Today we were back on the Jazz music channel.  "I will not compromise on this" is still ringing in my head at this point...  whiskey... tango... foxtrot was going through my head a lot today.

I really don't think that your presence is stopping them.  But they need to do it in a way that doesn't include you.  They can wear cross necklaces or other jewelry.  When other Christians come in they can have a conversation wherever they feel like it.  If someone simply asked they are free to express their beliefs.  Your presence shouldn't stop them and it most likely wouldn't.  You want to be free to NOT be a Christian as much as they want the freedom to BE a Christian.  There is no reason that you can't all do your thing and be what you are comfortable with. 

I personally wouldn't be much on the legal approach either.  But it never hurts to have a legal perspective.  Like with the contract amendment.  If nothing else you have proof and can pull it out and remind them of it if they step over your lines. I guess like having the boundaries drawn.  The proverbial line in the sand.  I wouldn't wait to long or you might lose the advantage, if you are going to go for a contract amendment.  However, in saying that I would also say ... you work with these people and you know if they are trustworthy or not.  If their word is good enough for you then I would go that route first.  But just be very, very sure. 
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« Reply #41: November 11, 2010, 10:51:03 pm »

It's really does not seem any different from a Wiccan who wears an obvious pentacle -- which might attract the attention of fellow Wiccans and those who are interested in learning more about Wicca.

Back when I wore a pent I was twice asked if I was Jewish and once asked for directions to an esoteric bookstore. Tongue
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« Reply #42: November 12, 2010, 12:23:21 am »

I do think they made this choice with as good intentions as they could have.  If I am preventing them from doing this by being there, then I will feel bad.  Truly, I am the last one to stand in someone's way of doing what they feel they need to do.  Unless, of course it involves me in ways I don't approve of.  I am more than happy to step aside and let them do what they feel they need to do. 

Pursuing any legal action has zero appeal to me.  Aside from the intense dislike I have for lawyers, this would be something that could get way out of proportion and could create a huge disturbance in this small of a town.

Your suggestion of a revised contract is a very good one.  I am still considering what to do.  Today we were back on the Jazz music channel.  "I will not compromise on this" is still ringing in my head at this point...  whiskey... tango... foxtrot was going through my head a lot today.

If they have under a certain number of employees in many states they classify as a private company and there's nothing you can do but decide if you want to work for a vocally Christian employer or no.  They do not have to accomodate your preference.

It it were an otherwise stable job with good references available, insurance and workmans compother benifits in this market, I would remind myself that this is work, not home.  You haver't been told not to wear blue, just that they are painting the walls blue without asking you.
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« Reply #43: November 12, 2010, 12:16:38 pm »

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i am going to have to bring this visual up at dinner - maybe when no one has a full mouth!!!!!
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« Reply #44: November 12, 2010, 12:29:07 pm »


i am going to have to bring this visual up at dinner - maybe when no one has a full mouth!!!!!

I really didnt' want to fall into the stereotypical trap of the gun owner with the humvee vs the gun control green car owner.  Particularly when the only person I know personnally who has a prius also has a large gun collection.  Just doesn't happen to have a gun rack in their possession, otherwise it would be in the car.
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