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« Topic Start: November 11, 2010, 05:09:19 pm »

The history of parapsychology is littered with bad and rigged experiments, but this at least sounds interesting:

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Parapsychologists have made outlandish claims about precognition knowledge of unpredictable future events for years. But the fringe phenomenon is about to get a mainstream airing: a paper providing evidence for its existence has been accepted for publication by the leading social psychology journal.

What's more, sceptical psychologists who have pored over a preprint of the paper say they can't find any significant flaws. "My personal view is that this is ridiculous and can't be true," says Joachim Krueger of Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island, who has blogged about the work on the Psychology Today website. "Going after the methodology and the experimental design is the first line of attack. But frankly, I didn't see anything. Everything seemed to be in good order."

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« Reply #1: November 12, 2010, 12:46:43 pm »

The history of parapsychology is littered with bad and rigged experiments, but this at least sounds interesting:

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Interesting is right! 
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« Reply #2: November 12, 2010, 06:04:54 pm »

The history of parapsychology is littered with bad and rigged experiments, but this at least sounds interesting:

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Extremely cool. I'm a hard science guy, but I've always had a soft spot for psychic phenomena like precognition. The way I see it, there's way more to the human mind than we currently understand, leaving lots of possibilities for some weird sh*t.
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« Reply #3: November 12, 2010, 06:26:15 pm »

The history of parapsychology is littered with bad and rigged experiments, but this at least sounds interesting:

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I'm actually interested to see this and the possible replications.  Usually I would say this is probably crap, but in this case, we have two issues:

1.  The fact that this made it through the requirements to get into JPSP is particularly impressive.  JPSP is the top journal in social psychology and you have to really know your stuff to be published there.  No study with massive design flaws would make it through the editors, especially for something as out there as precognition.

2.  Daryl Bem has been around for a long time and is a very established researcher that does quality work. 

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« Reply #4: November 12, 2010, 06:36:18 pm »


But what would it mean if it's true? Are we limited to the little, insignificant things they did in the experiment? I wonder what my philosophy teacher would have to say about this and predestination.
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« Reply #5: November 12, 2010, 07:19:02 pm »

I'm actually interested to see this and the possible replications.  Usually I would say this is probably crap, but in this case, we have two issues....

Those two issues are what attracted my attention. Usually I write stuff like this off as very likely to be flawed crap.
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« Reply #6: November 12, 2010, 07:21:02 pm »

But what would it mean if it's true? Are we limited to the little, insignificant things they did in the experiment? I wonder what my philosophy teacher would have to say about this and predestination.

By itself, it wouldn't mean much.  It would be variations on the research that could turn into something really interesting and/or useful.

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« Reply #7: November 12, 2010, 07:30:53 pm »

The way I see it, there's way more to the human mind than we currently understand, leaving lots of possibilities for some weird sh*t.

The way I see it, there's way more to the Universe than we currently understand, leaving lots of possibilities for some weird sh*t.

That posted, the article will have to undergo a LOT of scrutiny, which I fully support.  Take nothing this momentous at face value.

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« Reply #8: November 13, 2010, 12:10:41 pm »

I'm actually interested to see this

You can read his article here: http://www.dbem.ws/FeelingFuture.pdf

I skimmed through the references and there are some other parapsychology articles listed.
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« Reply #9: November 13, 2010, 05:42:01 pm »

You can read his article here: http://www.dbem.ws/FeelingFuture.pdf

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« Reply #10: November 13, 2010, 06:16:56 pm »

The way I see it, there's way more to the Universe than we currently understand, leaving lots of possibilities for some weird sh*t.

That too.
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« Reply #11: December 14, 2010, 04:44:15 pm »

Extremely cool. I'm a hard science guy, but I've always had a soft spot for psychic phenomena like precognition. The way I see it, there's way more to the human mind than we currently understand, leaving lots of possibilities for some weird sh*t.

I absolutely want to let this article undergo some intellectual rigor, but the possibility of it causing faux-skeptics like the Randi-ites heads to explode leaves me with an unseemly sense of schaedenfreude.
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« Reply #12: December 15, 2010, 12:42:27 am »

I absolutely want to let this article undergo some intellectual rigor, but the possibility of it causing faux-skeptics like the Randi-ites heads to explode leaves me with an unseemly sense of schaedenfreude.

What about their skepticism isn't genuine?

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« Reply #13: December 15, 2010, 08:19:23 am »

What about their skepticism isn't genuine?

James Randi himself seems quite genuine.
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« Reply #14: December 15, 2010, 08:27:35 am »

What about their skepticism isn't genuine?

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Almost all the "skeptics" I run into are just mirror images of True Believers, with moving evidentiary goalposts, and circular logic in the opposite direction.  Once upon a time I was a very militant atheist and "skeptic" on all things metaphysical, anin a lot of ways it was a more close-minded state of being than my fundamentalist Baptist upbringing.
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