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Author Topic: Merging Gods, and Soft vs Hard polythiesm.  (Read 17608 times)
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« Reply #15: November 22, 2010, 07:33:18 pm »

I'm hard polytheist and take the merging of the Gods as this: Each deity is separate and individual, and when They combine (such as the case with Sekhmet and Het-heru), the combined Sekhmet-Het-heru is Sekhmet assuming the role/attributes of Het-heru and Het-heru assuming the role/attributes of Sekhmet. Both are valid and exist simultaneously, but are two separate entities collected in one.
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I agree. 

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« Reply #16: November 22, 2010, 08:24:05 pm »

I agree. 

Darkhawk once explained it by telling me to think about the fact that two routes (Route 202 South and Route 322 East in my area, for example) can occupy the same road space but still be individual routes.

Never saw it like that.
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« Reply #17: November 22, 2010, 11:39:42 pm »

I love Sobek, even though he doesn't speak to me. I worship only Sekhmet and Isis but I'm hoping that other gods will come to me. I'm a little confused by the thread. What is considered Hard polythiesm and soft? I know that some gods did merge over time, which is confusing in itself. So what's the difference between these two kinds of polythiesm.

Polytheism comes in a spectrum, with soft polytheism on one end and hard polytheism on the other. The former is the belief that all deities are aspects of one God/Goddess, while the latter is the belief that all deities are separate, individual beings that are not part of one God/Goddess. But since it's a spectrum, people can be very soft (marshmallow polytheists? Is that what they're called now? Tongue), very hard, or anywhere in between.
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« Reply #18: November 23, 2010, 06:49:17 am »

Polytheism comes in a spectrum, with soft polytheism on one end and hard polytheism on the other. The former is the belief that all deities are aspects of one God/Goddess, while the latter is the belief that all deities are separate, individual beings that are not part of one God/Goddess. But since it's a spectrum, people can be very soft (marshmallow polytheists? Is that what they're called now? Tongue), very hard, or anywhere in between.

So are Kemetics soft, hard, or in-between. Also what kind of Polytheism are you, Firaza.
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« Reply #19: November 23, 2010, 07:04:36 am »

So are Kemetics soft, hard, or in-between. Also what kind of Polytheism are you, Firaza.

I can't talk for all Kemetics, but I'm a hard polytheist.
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« Reply #20: November 23, 2010, 09:03:16 am »

I can't talk for all Kemetics, but I'm a hard polytheist.

So that means that you believe that all Egyptian gods are separate and its own individual (someone on another site told me what hard polytheism meant). I know that the Hellenists are like that (once again another person as well as a book that I bought on the subject of Hellenism). I believe that all gods are separate as well and I've believe that for a long time.
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« Reply #21: November 23, 2010, 10:01:00 am »

So that means that you believe that all Egyptian gods are separate and its own individual (someone on another site told me what hard polytheism meant). I know that the Hellenists are like that (once again another person as well as a book that I bought on the subject of Hellenism). I believe that all gods are separate as well and I've believe that for a long time.

Don't base your thoughts on this on the path a person is on. I know Hellenistic hard polytheists and Hellenistic soft polytheists. It is entirely an individual sort of decision, which may or may not have anything to do with a person's faith practices. If I'm not mistaken, there are quite a few members of this SIG that are soft polytheists.

And if you get curious: I am also a hard polytheist.
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« Reply #22: November 23, 2010, 10:26:45 am »

Don't base your thoughts on this on the path a person is on. I know Hellenistic hard polytheists and Hellenistic soft polytheists. It is entirely an individual sort of decision, which may or may not have anything to do with a person's faith practices. If I'm not mistaken, there are quite a few members of this SIG that are soft polytheists.

And if you get curious: I am also a hard polytheist.

Oh the book "A Beginners Guide to Hellenimos" by Timothy Jay Alexander mentioned that some Hellenists were soft as well as hard. In-fact that author has his own forum, which is great. However I've always been a hard polytheist and I'm glad that I'm in the same boat with two other people. It makes rowing less hard,lol.
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« Reply #23: December 24, 2010, 03:00:12 pm »

Hey there everyone! I'm still working on finding my path...I've been trying to find it for a few years now, but I do feel a connection to the Egyptian pantheon. I think that might be partially due to the fact that my mom (who has a degree in geography specializing in the middle east), but that's another story. Anyway, onto my questions.

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I noticed a lot of hard polytheists among Kemetic pagans, which I find surprising, seeing as how it seems as though many scholars point to the Egyptians being soft polytheists as opposed to hard polytheists. This makes more sense, seeing as the Egyptian Gods are constantly merging with each other (Amun-Ra, Ra-Herekety, etc.). I was curious as to what your guys thoughts are on hard polytheism, soft polytheism, and the merging of the Gods are?

I had a discussion with a fellow board member about some of the different strains of Kemetic religion here: http://www.ecauldron.net/forum/index.php?topic=13283.60  Starts at reply #70.  Hope that helps.  If you have any further questions, let me know, and I'll do my best to help you...eventually.  Grin
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« Reply #24: February 17, 2011, 12:14:43 pm »

Good luck!  Remember to enjoy the journey as much as getting to the destination.

I had a discussion with a fellow board member about some of the different strains of Kemetic religion here: http://www.ecauldron.net/forum/index.php?topic=13283.60  Starts at reply #70.  Hope that helps.  If you have any further questions, let me know, and I'll do my best to help you...eventually.  Grin

Oh I've read that one and it was interesting. Have you all got a feeling that the Egyptian gods hate what's going on over in Egypt. I could feel it, Sekhmet wasn't happy. My Celtic path has led me right back to my Kemetic path that I thought I had left. It's a topsy turvy world people, I've bought a ticket to enjoy the ride, lol. However I'm approching it differently this time around. I still had Aset and Sekhmet as I really didn't want to give them up and send them with the other statues to our fine lady here and you know who you are, lol.

I took down Danu and Herne the Hunter and just placed Aset on my altar, now a shrine, and I'm just meditating and thinking. I should of done that before. Of course to answer what the author said just sit back and enjoy the journey down your path. The gods of Egypt are wonderful and they can take you by the hand and guide you. I hope that I helped.

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« Reply #25: February 17, 2011, 12:32:25 pm »

Oh I've read that one and it was interesting. Have you all got a feeling that the Egyptian gods hate what's going on over in Egypt. I could feel it, Sekhmet wasn't happy...

Interesting take, and not one I got from Her.  She is an arbiter of justice and the patron of physicians - in the case of Mubarak, he was a tumor in the land of Egypt that needed to be excised, and that's exactly the type of thing of which She approves.
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« Reply #26: February 17, 2011, 12:47:55 pm »

Interesting take, and not one I got from Her.  She is an arbiter of justice and the patron of physicians - in the case of Mubarak, he was a tumor in the land of Egypt that needed to be excised, and that's exactly the type of thing of which She approves.

Thanks, but I think that I should of meant about all the violence and that one protestor getting killed. Of course I don't think that she liked that reporter getting raped, it was on the news. I do hope that things work well for the Egyptians and that the new leader is fair and just.
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« Reply #27: February 17, 2011, 01:01:38 pm »

Thanks, but I think that I should of meant about all the violence and that one protestor getting killed. Of course I don't think that she liked that reporter getting raped, it was on the news. I do hope that things work well for the Egyptians and that the new leader is fair and just.

I understand from where you're coming - as humans we look at violence and shudder (hopefully).  However, Sekhmet is not human; if violence is needed, then so be it.  You are, unintentionally I am certain, putting a spin on Her that isn't accurate.
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« Reply #28: February 17, 2011, 01:01:47 pm »

Thanks, but I think that I should of meant about all the violence and that one protestor getting killed. Of course I don't think that she liked that reporter getting raped, it was on the news. I do hope that things work well for the Egyptians and that the new leader is fair and just.

.... er .. are you REALLY trying to say that Sekhmet's anti-violence?  The Eye of Ra?  The one that was so disgusted by humanity's evil that she went on a rampage and humanity only survived because She was gotten drunk on blood-colored beer?  THAT Sekhmet?  Or is there a different one I've never heard of?
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« Reply #29: February 17, 2011, 01:05:00 pm »

.... er .. are you REALLY trying to say that Sekhmet's anti-violence?  The Eye of Ra?  The one that was so disgusted by humanity's evil that she went on a rampage and humanity only survived because She was gotten drunk on blood-colored beer?  THAT Sekhmet?  Or is there a different one I've never heard of?

Well... she's also the patroness of healing but... yeah. She meant that one.
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