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« Reply #15: November 19, 2010, 12:21:42 pm »

I have never understood why sane intelligent people can believe that marijuana is worse than alcohol.

Because marijuana, despite its current association with white middle class kids, started out as the drug of choice for poor Black people and jazz musicians.  And then once the myth was started, it couldn't be killed. 

Wonder why we have so much stricter laws for crack vs powder cocaine?  Pretty much the same reason.  It isn't about truth.  It is about hyperbole attached to stigmatized groups.

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« Reply #16: November 19, 2010, 12:23:35 pm »

Because marijuana, despite its current association with white middle class kids, started out as the drug of choice for poor Black people and jazz musicians.  And then once the myth was started, it couldn't be killed. 

Wonder why we have so much stricter laws for crack vs powder cocaine?  Pretty much the same reason.  It isn't about truth.  It is about hyperbole attached to stigmatized groups.

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« Reply #17: November 19, 2010, 02:42:35 pm »

a nurse I used to work with lost her license over marijuana pain relief.  I'm beginning to know how she feels, since I'm developing the same issues she has. 

Where do even start?
A lot of people have lost a lot over marijuana, pain relief and otherwise.  A lot of people are in prison and have been in prison over marijuana. I didn't mean to imply that not being able to smoke pot was akin to a human rights violation...I said something to the effect of it being close.  Talk to someone in doing a ten year stretch for pot alone; they may beg to differ.  However, I agree that there are much  more pressing matters in the world, and I didn't mean to offend anyone, and it would seem as though I had. 

I had no idea the overwhelming response that was to follow my post.  I usually kill threads by simply responding to them, no one ever touches them again.  Most of the time it goes to something I have said, haha!  At least that didn't happen.

And I will further paint targets on myself by stating that I do belief marijuana is a lot less dangerous than alcohol.  Not methamphetamine or cocaine, those are incredibly bad for you.  Pot, not so much at all.  Most of the people that I know who smoke marijuana are educated, working individuals with no criminal records.  That certainly doesn't mean that everyone who smokes it falls into that category; nothing is absolute.

At least I haven't bored anyone! (perhaps I am wrong, here)
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« Reply #18: November 19, 2010, 04:30:32 pm »

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And I will further paint targets on myself by stating that I do belief marijuana is a lot less dangerous than alcohol...

I agree with this statement.  However, until there is quantifiable data to support the claim, the battle for/against legalization will continue.
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« Reply #19: November 19, 2010, 04:50:46 pm »

I agree with this statement.  However, until there is quantifiable data to support the claim, the battle for/against legalization will continue.

I think that there is quantifiable data to support that claim.  Pot is less addictive and less physically taxing than alcohol if one actually bothers to look at science.  Unfortunately, most of our legislators are woefully science ignorant.  The existence of Mike Huckabee is proof of that.  Sad

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« Reply #20: November 19, 2010, 05:15:30 pm »

I think that there is quantifiable data to support that claim.  Alcohol is more addictive and less physically taxing than alcohol if one actually bothers to look at science.  Unfortunately, most of our legislators are woefully science ignorant.  The existence of Mike Huckabee is proof of that.  Sad

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« Reply #21: November 19, 2010, 05:21:18 pm »

psst - that doesn't make any sense

Fixed.  Apparently the invocation of Mike Huckabee keeps me from making any sense.
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« Reply #22: November 19, 2010, 05:30:14 pm »

Apparently the invocation of Mike Huckabee keeps me from making any sense.

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« Reply #23: November 19, 2010, 11:51:19 pm »

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« Reply #24: November 20, 2010, 12:00:56 am »


Sounds more like a Hux to me.

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« Reply #25: November 20, 2010, 12:38:57 am »

I also agree. There are so many evils in the world, people complaining about something that is illegal? I've been around those who do smoke pot and all I can do is shake my head and pray the gods have pity on them. If the people in the government legalize pot then it'll be something else people want legal and then another thing. See where I am going?

This post made me a little sad. I am an unapologetic user of marijuana for medical, spiritual, and recreational reasons; this is a plant that not only helps me mentally function, but also helps me communicate with the Divine and feel happy about my life and my place in the universe. I'm sorry you seem to have come across people you feel you need to shake your head over and pray for (a statement which, by the way, reeked of snot-nosed piety); but I hope you can transcend your generalizations and learn a little more about the variety of the users of this simple weed.

There are a few wonderful documentaries that might help broaden understanding of the economy, botany, and sociology of cannabis. Here are a few helpful titles--
1. The Botany of Desire
2. The Union: The Business Behind Getting High
3. Super High Me [more for comedic relief Smiley ]
4. National Geographic's Marijuana Nation

This whole thread is very fascinating to me. I love the different viewpoints. I'm with yewberry on this one--it'd be nice to see my tax dollars at work putting real criminals in jail. As far as a personal opinion on legalization, I really don't care either way. Cannabis has been growing for hundreds of years, has been cultivated by countless hands. It'll be around for quite a long while, regardless of what laws seek to regulate it.
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« Reply #26: November 20, 2010, 03:33:10 am »


I agree that as long as smoking pot doesn't hurt anyone else, people should have the right to do it. But I would never do it because it seems pointless to me. So you feel good for a few hours. You feel crappy the next day, and you have to admit to yourself that the feeling of well-being was absolutely artificial. It's not true well-being, just some chemicals manipulating your brain.
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« Reply #27: November 20, 2010, 07:16:49 am »

It's not true well-being, just some chemicals manipulating your brain.

The same could be said of any drug used to treat mental issues.  After all, if you stop taking prescribed meds like anti-depressants you are back where you started too.  Hell, if I stop taking my physical meds I will feel like crap.  Daily application is understood when the treatment is by prescription.

As someone above said, or implied (I can't remember exactly), most people's sticking point with marijuana is its euphoric element.  In our society, it can't be good for you if it makes you happy - pleasure is the real sin.  It's a dour, protestant, viewpoint that limits things like praise, laughter, euphoria, self-indulgence, fun, and considers them bad for one's moral fibre.

Sometimes one's brain needs to be manipulated by chemicals.  And sometimes it's just fun.

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« Reply #28: November 20, 2010, 10:51:50 am »

The same could be said of any drug used to treat mental issues.  After all, if you stop taking prescribed meds like anti-depressants you are back where you started too.  Hell, if I stop taking my physical meds I will feel like crap.  Daily application is understood when the treatment is by prescription.

As someone above said, or implied (I can't remember exactly), most people's sticking point with marijuana is its euphoric element.  In our society, it can't be good for you if it makes you happy - pleasure is the real sin.  It's a dour, protestant, viewpoint that limits things like praise, laughter, euphoria, self-indulgence, fun, and considers them bad for one's moral fibre.

Sometimes one's brain needs to be manipulated by chemicals.  And sometimes it's just fun.

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« Reply #29: November 20, 2010, 10:56:05 am »

I agree that as long as smoking pot doesn't hurt anyone else, people should have the right to do it. But I would never do it because it seems pointless to me. So you feel good for a few hours. You feel crappy the next day, and you have to admit to yourself that the feeling of well-being was absolutely artificial. It's not true well-being, just some chemicals manipulating your brain.

PS. Your brain is nothing but chemicals manipulating each other! Also, did you know that there are special receptors in our brain specifically to receive delta 9 tetrahydrocannabinol, the main chemical in marijuana? Funky, huh! Try watching the Botany of Desire--it's streaming now on Netflix, and it's by Michael Pollan, the food writer! The documentary, by the way, is not just about cannabis, but about apples and tulips and potatoes and their effects on our lives; the entire film is superb.
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