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« Reply #15: November 22, 2010, 01:39:53 pm »

I was lucky and didn't catch anything before the vaccinations came out - except chicken pox, but as I was 4 it was not an issue.  I remember when we went down as a family and got the brand new polio vaccine on sugar cubes.  My children are fully vaccinated, but I will say that part of my decision was based on the fact that everyone on both sides had been vaccinated and no one had had a reaction.  Though they haven't been vaccinated for chicken pox, but since they're both in their 20's that came out too late (they both had it when young).

The other point is, I think Randall is older than me, and possibly older than my husband.
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« Reply #16: November 22, 2010, 01:40:05 pm »



I had measles--BOTH kinds--as a child. Never got mumps, but wasn't vaccinated, either. (I'm 52.) I got the chicken pox as an adult (31? I think) and terrified my doctor. Luckily I didn't have any serious aftereffects--at least none we know of at the moment. Our schools did the polio-vaccine thing; county health workers in the hallways with long tables, rows of paper cups, each with one sugar cube holding the dose of Salk vaccine. Check off the name, hand the kid the cup, watch them take it, next . . .



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« Reply #17: November 22, 2010, 05:34:56 pm »

I didn't think you were that old Randall. Figured you'd have missed it by a few years.

I was born in 1957. I had chicken pox too, come to think of it. Another disease one doesn't have to get any more.
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« Reply #18: November 22, 2010, 06:57:57 pm »

The other point is, I think Randall is older than me, and possibly older than my husband.

So am I!  Grin
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« Reply #19: November 22, 2010, 07:11:08 pm »

Vaccination rates drop, putting more kids at risk
Recent outbreaks of whooping cough, measles and mumps may point to loss of 'herd immunity'

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40280560/ns/health-infectious_diseases/

I think there are two sides to this issue.  The first has already been discussed, so that one I'll leave alone.

The second is that we have become vaccine-batty.  They give vaccines for nearly everything.  There's even a vaccine being researched for ear infections.   Huh  I do not agree with not vaccinating at all, but to vaccinate for things that are not life-threatening...why?  

When my oldest daughter was a baby, (she's 12) our pediatrician tried to push the Rotovirus vax on us.  I opted out.  She was fully vaccinated against everything else except chicken pox.  A while later (I don't remember how long...6 months, maybe a year?)  the Rotovirus vax was pulled because it was found to cause twisting and torsioning of the intestines causing surgeries and death.

Fast forward to just a few years ago, they tried to push the NEW rotovirus vaccine on me again for my youngest child.  Again, I opted out.  What else is interesting...do you know what rotovirus is?  It's the stomach flu.  By the age of five, EVERY child in the U.S. has had it.  Do kids die from the stomach flu?  Sure.  Kids get dehydrated, their parents don't realize what's happening, etc.  But is the risk of a vaccine that might cause death worth the outcome of your kid not getting something that in all likelihood is going to cause him to puke for 12 hours?  I don't think so.  But, that vaccine is considered just as important as polio or pertussis.  It's part of the litany of vaccines the doctors insist you give your kids.

I'm just saying...I think better education from the doctors would be in order.  The rotovirus vax is not as important as the polio vax, but will you hear a pediatrician tell you that?  Probably not.  If you decide to reject ANY vaccine, you're seen as some kind of nut job.  The reality is that some of them are just money-makers and not necessary.

Does my newborn need a hep B shot?  Um, not that I know of.  I don't have hep B, and it's transmitted through sex, sharing needles, tattoos.  Maybe when a kid starts school and might get bitten by another child, or if they are in a daycare setting.  But an infant?  During the first 12 hours of his life?  Why?  I know why...it's to protect those kids that are born to hep B positive mothers.  But if I'm NOT, and I know I'm not, then why?  Why push it on me?

Chicken pox is another...we didn't do it.  Only recently are they finding out that it is only providing 20 years of protection.  So now you have a bunch of 20 year olds out there who  NEED a booster so they don't get chicken pox as an adult which is much more dangerous than getting it as a child.  I know a few 20 year olds...not many with the maturity or foresight to go get a vaccine booster.  Would these kids have been better off to contract chicken pox as a child and get a longer span of immunity from the actual disease than they got from the shot?  I don't know, I really don't.

I'm not trying to start an argument here, but like I said, there are two sides to this argument.  There are vaccines that are absolutely necessary.  There are those (I think) that are not.  I think parents would be better served if they were looked at as people with brains who can make informed decisions, rather than having things pushed on them without docs taking the time to really explain the risks and benefits.
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« Reply #20: November 22, 2010, 07:55:39 pm »



Does my newborn need a hep B shot?  Um, not that I know of.  I don't have hep B, and it's transmitted through sex, sharing needles, tattoos.  Maybe when a kid starts school and might get bitten by another child, or if they are in a daycare setting.  But an infant?  During the first 12 hours of his life?  Why?  I know why...it's to protect those kids that are born to hep B positive mothers.  But if I'm NOT, and I know I'm not, then why?  Why push it on me?
 



No, Hep B is transmitted through blood and body fluids.  sex, sharing needles, and nonsanitary tattoos are simply common  ways of sharing blood and body fluids, but they are not the only ways.  Biting, skinning knees together, fighting, are all good ways of sharing blood and body fluids too.  I suspect your child will be doing more of those three things than you want them to and you don't know other children's status of that.
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« Reply #21: November 22, 2010, 08:21:47 pm »

Chicken pox is another...we didn't do it.  Only recently are they finding out that it is only providing 20 years of protection.  So now you have a bunch of 20 year olds out there who  NEED a booster so they don't get chicken pox as an adult which is much more dangerous than getting it as a child.

The issue you are leaving out here is that people that contract chicken pox as children then run the risk of getting shingles as an adult.  Shingles is a terrible, painful disease.  So if they contract chicken pox naturally as a child, they should still have a vaccine to prevent shingles.  People that have the chicken pox vaccine are not at risk for shingles.  So we either have a scenario in which someone gets two vaccines or has two diseases.  Chicken pox, at a minimum means, missed days of school and and serious discomfort.  Shingles is a debilitating condition that can last years.  Vaccines are a few moments of ouch. 

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« Reply #22: November 22, 2010, 08:26:47 pm »

I was born in 1957. I had chicken pox too, come to think of it. Another disease one doesn't have to get any more.

Ditto. Found out at the same time that I was allergic to penicillin. Gave me hives. Sad
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« Reply #23: November 22, 2010, 08:51:50 pm »

The second is that we have become vaccine-batty.  They give vaccines for nearly everything.  There's even a vaccine being researched for ear infections.   Huh  I do not agree with not vaccinating at all, but to vaccinate for things that are not life-threatening...why?

I would have stood in line for hours for a vaccine against ear infections when I was a child. I got them all the time from about age 3 to age 10. They were extremely painful, often caused me very high fevers, and caused me to miss a lot of school. While I don't think a vaccine for ear infections should be required by law, I am very happy that they may find one. A lot of people might benefit.
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« Reply #24: November 22, 2010, 09:04:34 pm »

I would have stood in line for hours for a vaccine against ear infections when I was a child. I got them all the time from about age 3 to age 10. They were extremely painful, often caused me very high fevers, and caused me to miss a lot of school. While I don't think a vaccine for ear infections should be required by law, I am very happy that they may find one. A lot of people might benefit.

There was that aspect of the ear infection.  Ouch. And people get hung up on sexual transmission of diseases.  For most of those, it is also transmittable by blood and body fluids, in which case the fact that it is transmittable sexually is a red herring.  As a nurse, I'm at high risk for Hep B, and I certainly don't sleep with my patients, share needles with them (at least not intentionally, although that is one of the risk, but CNA's have a high risk too, and they don't use needles) nor do we do tattoos with them.  The main thing we do share with them is body fluids when we care for them, and the fact that we're the ones that stick our hands in there when the bleeding starts.
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« Reply #25: November 22, 2010, 09:25:47 pm »

I would have stood in line for hours for a vaccine against ear infections when I was a child.

Holy cow, me too.  Being the kid shuttled to the ER in the middle of the night for Tylenol 3 because the pain was so bad, I would have been more than happy to take a quick shot.  Besides that, considering that our antibiotics are becoming less and less effective, I think it would behoove us to look increasingly towards vaccines when we can.

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« Reply #26: November 22, 2010, 09:48:21 pm »

Besides that, considering that our antibiotics are becoming less and less effective, I think it would behoove us to look increasingly towards vaccines when we can.

That's an excellent point.
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« Reply #27: November 22, 2010, 11:38:30 pm »

LOL...definite Randalism.
I'm going to take the dissident stance here and say that, no, it wasn't a missing "not" this time; Randall would have rather had the vaccines had they been invented, than having mumps and measles.

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« Reply #28: November 23, 2010, 12:00:57 am »

A more telling question would be, are the grandparents of the kids who are not getting vacinated to young to remember. Most of the older board members at best would know an older relative or friend's relative who got such a disease.
That may well be a factor in the drop in vaxes referred to in the OP's linked article; we're just hitting a point when people too young to remember are likely to be grandparents of young kids.  But they're just the latest wave in an already-existing anti-vax movement.

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« Reply #29: November 23, 2010, 02:21:28 am »

I would have stood in line for hours for a vaccine against ear infections when I was a child. I got them all the time from about age 3 to age 10. They were extremely painful, often caused me very high fevers, and caused me to miss a lot of school. While I don't think a vaccine for ear infections should be required by law, I am very happy that they may find one. A lot of people might benefit.

If I could have had that for my daughter! She is only 9 and she has already missed 4 months of school in the last 18 due to ear infections. She has been vaccinated for everything that she should have been already, though. (This has caused all sorts of arguements-my in laws don't agree with vaccinations, my parents do). My hubby never had any when he was young but I had all mine as a child. When he got chicken pox in his late 20's he was very, very ill. (I have no immunity to chicken pox-I've had it 14 times so far, but the weird thing is I am never really ill with it. All I get is loads of spots and a headache-go figure) I have to keep my vaccinations up to date due to my seriously crappy immune system (can I have a real one now, please?) which keeps things on a fairly even keel. Elizabeth is very healthy, other than the ears and usual coughs and colds, so I certainly don't regret my choice!

BTW-how does the authorisation for child vaccines work in the U.S? In the UK, if the mother agrees to it but the father doesn't, it gets given by the G.P, but if the mother disagrees and the father wants it done, the G.P will refuse to give it to the child. Apparently, it is the mother's choice, unless there is sufficient cause and proof to doubt her ability to make that decision for her child. Really old law that has never been changed.....
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