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« Reply #15: January 12, 2011, 02:33:02 pm »

... I don't know if that makes any damn sense.

Kiya, I think you're doomed to have another metaphor/phrase eternally attached to your name; along with Shopping Cart Theology, you now have Fruitcake Gods.

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« Reply #16: January 12, 2011, 03:06:53 pm »

Let me see if I can come up with a useful metaphor, then. Wink
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« Reply #17: January 12, 2011, 03:17:33 pm »

... I don't know if that makes any damn sense.

Mmmm, it has gotten me a step closer at least I think. So... the fruitcake, although a manifestation of the mother, does not equate to being the mother, nor does it equate to being her voice on the phone. (Because that would just be silly if someone asks you what the fruitcake is and you say its your mother. Nor indeed does it even make any noise at all, let alone mimic the sound of her voice on the phone.) But the fruitcake does indeed directly exist because of the influence of the mother and reminds you of her. In a way its a type of 'child', just not in the usual way the word is used of course.

Or something like that anyways? Smiley
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« Reply #18: January 12, 2011, 04:02:15 pm »

Mmmm, it has gotten me a step closer at least I think. So... the fruitcake, although a manifestation of the mother, does not equate to being the mother, nor does it equate to being her voice on the phone. (Because that would just be silly if someone asks you what the fruitcake is and you say its your mother. Nor indeed does it even make any noise at all, let alone mimic the sound of her voice on the phone.) But the fruitcake does indeed directly exist because of the influence of the mother and reminds you of her. In a way its a type of 'child', just not in the usual way the word is used of course.

Or something like that anyways? Smiley

Something like that.  And maybe you eat the fruitcake and feel all full of mama's love.  And maybe your friend eats the fruitcake and doesn't get what the big deal is because they don't know that the fruitcake is really all about that great relationship with mom.  And maybe your other friend doesn't get the connection part, but does get "Hey, that's a really great fruitcake." Wink
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« Reply #19: January 12, 2011, 05:48:47 pm »

Let me see if I can come up with a useful metaphor, then. Wink

Ah, okay, got it.

Say you call your mother on the phone.  What you get out of that is your mother's voice, most directly, and it's also placed in the context of your particular relationship with your mother and her role as mother.  There is a specific, limited-focus, targetted manifestation there: mom's voice on the phone.  That defines a set of possible interactions, a set of possible experiences, and the nature of what's going on.

Your mother can be doing all kinds of other things when talking on the phone - making dinner, working on the computer, writing a letter, what have you.  All of those other things are also independent manifestations of your mother's existence.  If your mother sends you a fruitcake, that's also a manifestation, one that you relate to in a different way than her voice on the phone.  The fruitcake is an independent entity - in this metaphor, The Fruitcake God - which is also a manifestation of Your Mother.  YOu can relate to just the fruitcake, or your mother by means of the fruitcake, or various other ways of conceiving the relationship between them, but the fruitcake is undeniably something that manifests via your mother, and is a part of her effect on the world.

... I don't know if that makes any damn sense.

In both of these cases, the manifestation is temporary- the Fruitcake God and the Telephone God go away when the cake is eaten, or the phone conversation is over.

Does that mean that all manifestations are temporary?

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« Reply #20: January 12, 2011, 05:52:00 pm »

In both of these cases, the manifestation is temporary- the Fruitcake God and the Telephone God go away when the cake is eaten, or the phone conversation is over.

Does that mean that all manifestations are temporary?

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Your mother can call again, or make fruitcake again. Not 'temporary', but maybe 'specifically available'.
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« Reply #21: January 12, 2011, 06:05:47 pm »

Does that mean that all manifestations are temporary?

The idea that a god can manifest as a thing contains within it the idea that the god can be not manifesting as that thing right now.  Otherwise, it wouldn't be a "this can happen", it would be a "this is what is".
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« Reply #22: January 13, 2011, 10:23:13 am »

The idea that a god can manifest as a thing contains within it the idea that the god can be not manifesting as that thing right now.  Otherwise, it wouldn't be a "this can happen", it would be a "this is what is".

I did some more thinking about this last night. I've managed to wrap my head around the idea of these manifestations of Re almost being like aspects of him. They are these seperate little slices of him, focusing on something specific or otherwise having their own individual parameters. They can't go back to being Re because they themselves do not encompass the whole of Re and yet they did come from him. (In other words, the fruitcake can't suddenly turn into your mother.) They are not a syncretism because a deity can step out of being in a syncretic form - the manifestations are more permanently stuck in that kind of specialized and seperated form.

In a way it is kind of like when you talk about a deity having different bau, I guess? Perhaps not quite the same though, because I can think of situations where I might consider something to temporarily be a ba of a deity because it so strongly reminds me of them, yet I would not go around saying it is an aspect of that god. Like a store-bought fruitcake which tastes a lot like the one your mother makes, as opposed to a fruitcake actually made by her. I guess you could even say that store fruitcake is a ba of your mother's fruitcake because it specifically reminds you (and probably you alone) of it and of your mother, but this is all getting a bit silly and I'm not sure its helping.

And of course all of this is seperate to the meaning of manifestation as an appearance, as in like you pray to your deity and he appears to you in a particular way. That particular way is not necessarily a "manifestation" in the sense I've been using, just to clarify. Smiley
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« Reply #23: January 13, 2011, 02:55:35 pm »

I find it difficult to figure this all out and keep them straight.

How do you do it?

I made a short write up on the conception of god in AE here, if you would like another take on it.
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« Reply #24: January 13, 2011, 10:12:56 pm »

I made a short write up on the conception of god in AE here, if you would like another take on it.

Long time no see, Bastemhet.  Great article. Thanks for sharing Smiley
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« Reply #25: January 16, 2011, 11:18:51 am »

Long time no see, Bastemhet.  Great article. Thanks for sharing Smiley

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