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« Topic Start: January 14, 2011, 09:11:41 am »

When society gets it wrong

Usually people work well together.  Sometimes we're better, sometimes we're worse, but we don't actively go out of our way to hurt each other.  We believe people have a right to live.  We try.

Sometimes things go wrong, though.  For whatever reason, someone decides the only thing to do is kill people, or destroy important things, or otherwise completely shatter our view of the world as inherently good.  And we cry out, trying to find a reason, an explanation.  Something to bring the horrifying back into the realm of understandable.  Something to make the universe look just and good again.

The horrifying thing is that the universe is not inherently just.  It is not inherently good.  It simply is.  Goodness and justice come from intelligence applied to situations, and the universe has no intelligence life does not supply.  When we are good, the world around us appears good.  When we are just, the world is just.  But when someone does something awful, that is also part of reality, and we must find a way to come to grips with it.

There is no magic cure for those that destroy.  There is no way to fix the problem of those who's minds are unhinged.  There are ways to fix the problems of those that see no other options, but those are hard and can take decades if not generations to resolve.  We want it to be easy.  We want to believe that we can simply change one thing and the world will be better.  But changing the world is a very large, very hard task.  We cannot shrink away simply because it is hard, but we also cannot pretend it is easy when it is not.

If we want to make the world better, we have to acknowledge that sometimes things are wrong.  Some of the things are wrong are systemic.  Sometimes there's no “good” answer, only bigger or smaller problems.  Sometimes there needs to be a bigger mess before we can start cleaning it up.

I wish that wasn't true.  I wish there were easy answers, or even clear ones, so we knew what it was we were doing and what the result would be.  But there isn't.  There's just a best guess and an attempt to do what's right and hope that we don't make a bigger mess in the attempt to fix things.  And we have to remember that even those that did something horrible are still of the Divine.  Even those we wish we could cast out and pretend never existed are of the Divine.  We cannot pick and choose.  We simply have to move forwards.

Hand to hand we pull each other up.  Sometimes people use their hands as fists instead.  Yes, we should blame the people that use their fists.  They have a choice and they should use it.  But we should also try to understand if there's a way to make it so they don't want to use fists again.

We can't solve it all.  Sometimes there will be people that no one can reach, and we cannot punish everyone so that those few who ignore the law anyway will be sanctioned harder.  We cannot rewrite reality to pretend that this doesn't happen, or that it has no reason when it does happen.  We can never make the world so safe or so perfect that someone cannot destroy our belief in safety.  The important thing is that when it happens, we pick ourselves back up and try again, even though we know it will, someday, happen again.  Horror is an unfortunate fact of life.  The goal is to try to lessen it, keep it from happening where we can, and to keep from adding to it.

Prompt – think about those you love, and why.  In the face of horror, remember that you are not alone.  We are all there.
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« Reply #1: January 24, 2011, 10:26:57 pm »

The horrifying thing is that the universe is not inherently just.  It is not inherently good.  It simply is.  Goodness and justice come from intelligence applied to situations, and the universe has no intelligence life does not supply.  When we are good, the world around us appears good.  When we are just, the world is just.  But when someone does something awful, that is also part of reality, and we must find a way to come to grips with it.

Yes.

While I do believe that people eventually get their comeuppance for "bad" behavior, I also believe that happens on the Gods' timetable, not ours. And I have NEVER believed that "things happen for a reason" or "God doesn't give us more than we can handle" or any of that other stupid crap people throw out when something unexplainable happens. When bad things happen to good people, or someone you love just keels over and dies.

And it's why I could never, and will never, believe in omnipotent, omnipresent Gods.

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