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« Topic Start: January 16, 2011, 09:25:00 pm »

Does anyone have any good information (websites, books, UPG) on Persephone? I've been to Theoi.com and it helps for some basics, but I don't really get a good sense of Her. I'm especially interested in UPG and/or generally the best way to honor/worship Her. Info/ideas on offerings, holidays, prayers, a shrine/altar, etc. would be great Smiley Thanks!
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« Reply #1: January 17, 2011, 09:26:04 pm »

Does anyone have any good information (websites, books, UPG) on Persephone? I've been to Theoi.com and it helps for some basics, but I don't really get a good sense of Her. I'm especially interested in UPG and/or generally the best way to honor/worship Her. Info/ideas on offerings, holidays, prayers, a shrine/altar, etc. would be great Smiley Thanks!

I love Persephone and her myth... I know that grain and pomegranates are related to her, also spring maybe even fall and winter, rebirth, life....
I would use Persephone as the maiden in the triple goddess form. (persephone,artemis/diana/hera,hecate)
Have you tried Wikipedia?
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« Reply #2: January 17, 2011, 09:38:16 pm »

I would use Persephone as the maiden in the triple goddess form. (persephone,artemis/diana/hera,hecate)

The problem with that is not everyone uses the Maiden/Mother/Crone system.

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« Reply #3: January 18, 2011, 04:39:08 am »

Does anyone have any good information (websites, books, UPG) on Persephone? I've been to Theoi.com and it helps for some basics, but I don't really get a good sense of Her. I'm especially interested in UPG and/or generally the best way to honor/worship Her. Info/ideas on offerings, holidays, prayers, a shrine/altar, etc. would be great Smiley Thanks!

First off, I wouldn't offer mint, because of a myth where Hades has the hots for a nymph and the nymph gets transformed into a mint plant. This is UPG but I find that she changes with the seasons, in the spring she is very much a goddess of abundance and growth whereas in the winter she changes to the Iron Queen who rules over the dead. You might want to add when she goes into the Underworld and when she comes out into our world to your calender to celebrate as festival days (personally I use the equinoxes). I honour her in the spring by just growing stuff, planting flowers and veggies. In the winter I pay respect to my dead to honour her.

Other gods associated with her are Demeter (her mother, obviously. Looking into the Eleusinian mysteries is really interesting if you want to celebrate them together), Hades (husband and co-ruler), Hermes (guides her into and out of the Underworld), Hecate (she was her companion in the Underworld and also guides her), Adonis (Persephone and Aphrodite have a time share on this hunk) and a truck load of nymphs are associated with her: Lampades, etc.

A good blog to read for UPG on Persephone is : http://maidtoqueen.blogspot.com/
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« Reply #4: January 18, 2011, 11:47:12 am »

Does anyone have any good information (websites, books, UPG) on Persephone? I've been to Theoi.com and it helps for some basics, but I don't really get a good sense of Her. I'm especially interested in UPG and/or generally the best way to honor/worship Her. Info/ideas on offerings, holidays, prayers, a shrine/altar, etc. would be great Smiley Thanks!

Persephone is my patron goddess, so I have been doing quite a lot of digging lately for information, myself. You will find that Persephone is strongly linked with Demeter and also with Hecate. For myself I am choosing to honor all three in the Maiden/Mother/Crone triune. It just happens to feel right.

These are the books on my Amazon wishlist:

Finding Persephone: Women's Rituals in the Ancient Mediterranean
by Maryline Parca

The Homeric Hymn to Demeter
Helene P. Foley ed.

Eleusis: Archetypal Image of Mother and Daughter
by Karl Kerenyi

Mysteries of Demeter: Rebirth of the Pagan Way
by Jennifer Reif

Persephone Unveiled: Seeing the Goddess and Freeing Your Soul
by Charles Stein

Long Journey Home: Revisioning the Myth of Demeter and Persephone for Our Time
by Christine Downing

Persephone Rises: 1860-1927
by Margot Louis

There's obviously some varying degrees of fluff in there. I tried to screen out a lot of that sort of thing when I was searching for books in the first place; but, it's hard to find information about Persephone, so in that respect I made some compromises in the interest of gleaning useful info. Basically, YMMV.
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« Reply #5: January 22, 2011, 02:56:04 pm »

There is an out of print book called "The Memoirs of Zeus" (English translation) by a frenchman Maurice Druon.

I was able to get a copy from Amazon. It is of course a work of fiction and is ostensibly exactly what it says.

In it there is a fairly substantial account, from a personal point of view, (i.e. from the viewpoint of Zeus the father), of how the maiden Kore became "Dread Persephone".

I can't guarantee that it will be to your taste but after I read it I really felt that I knew Persephone as well as our next door neighbour. I would recommend it if you are able to get hold of a copy. Perhaps a library?

The pre-raphaelite painting "Proserpine" is an awesome image of Persephone. I expect that you are familar with it but if not Google it on images.

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« Reply #6: January 22, 2011, 03:10:42 pm »

There is an out of print book called "The Memoirs of Zeus" (English translation) by a frenchman Maurice Druon.

I was able to get a copy from Amazon. It is of course a work of fiction and is ostensibly exactly what it says.

In it there is a fairly substantial account, from a personal point of view, (i.e. from the viewpoint of Zeus the father), of how the maiden Kore became "Dread Persephone".

I can't guarantee that it will be to your taste but after I read it I really felt that I knew Persephone as well as our next door neighbour. I would recommend it if you are able to get hold of a copy. Perhaps a library?

The pre-raphaelite painting "Proserpine" is an awesome image of Persephone. I expect that you are familar with it but if not Google it on images.

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« Reply #7: January 25, 2011, 11:25:09 pm »


Thank you everyone. A lot of that I knew, but it's nice to have help anyways. I appreciate the effort Smiley

I did find this UU sermon with the myth of Persephone as the basis, and it helped me see the goddess in a new light: http://danielharper.org/archive/?p=339

If anyone else had anything similar, or any UPG, I'd still appreciate it Smiley
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Here is a link to a poem about Persephone by Dianne Sylvan which I absolutely love. It puts a whole different point of view into play.....

http://diannesylvan.com/?page_id=107
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« Reply #9: January 26, 2011, 08:07:30 am »

Here is a link to a poem about Persephone by Dianne Sylvan which I absolutely love. It puts a whole different point of view into play.....

http://diannesylvan.com/?page_id=107

That is .. surprisingly close to the way I have always seen Her.  That it was Her mother that argued and cried rape - not Her.
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« Reply #10: January 26, 2011, 08:25:16 am »

Wikipedia?  The site where anyone can add to an entry regardless of credibility?  Really?

I can't seem to find the post where Jenett discussed Wikipedia on her (I tried searching back through her posts, but I can't find it. Does anyone remember which thread that was in?), so I'll have to sum up why I agreed with what she said: it's good as a jumping off point, it can often link to to reliable sources that the article references, and in a lot of cases it can give you at least a good starting view on a particular topic. Just because it's editable by anyone does not make it instantly unreliable. They do have a system set up in place that prevents or reverts most spam attacks. Does some bad information stay up there? Yeah, sometimes. But it doesn't stay up there forever.

Taking a cursory look over the Persephone article, it looks pretty decent (although the intro section could be cleaned up some), and contains a pretty good references section and bibliography, which is where one should start looking after reading the article.

Since it hasn't already been suggested, I also recommend checking out the Theoi.com article on Persephone as well, which is chockful of ancient references to her.

Good luck! Smiley
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« Reply #11: January 26, 2011, 08:28:44 am »

First off, I wouldn't offer mint, because of a myth where Hades has the hots for a nymph and the nymph gets transformed into a mint plant.

Which is amusing, since mint is one of the principal ingredients in the kykeon, the drink initiates drank after fasting for the Eleusian Mysteries, is mint.
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« Reply #12: January 26, 2011, 08:56:34 am »

Which is amusing, since mint is one of the principal ingredients in the kykeon, the drink initiates drank after fasting for the Eleusian Mysteries, is mint.

I didn't know that, lol. I suppose it's a symbol of her.. transformative power, I guess? Do you have any more info/sources of info on it? I'd like to know more.
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« Reply #13: January 26, 2011, 11:25:53 am »

I can't seem to find the post where Jenett discussed Wikipedia on her (I tried searching back through her posts, but I can't find it. Does anyone remember which thread that was in?), so I'll have to sum up why I agreed with what she said: it's good as a jumping off point, it can often link to to reliable sources that the article references, and in a lot of cases it can give you at least a good starting view on a particular topic. Just because it's editable by anyone does not make it instantly unreliable. They do have a system set up in place that prevents or reverts most spam attacks. Does some bad information stay up there? Yeah, sometimes. But it doesn't stay up there forever.

http://www.ecauldron.net/forum/index.php?topic=15026.15;p=26 and
http://www.ecauldron.net/forum/index.php?topic=15026.30;p=32

are the two relevant ones (they're on the Praying thread. For the curious, I found it by doing a search on the forum for the term Wikipedia in one of my posts, and it was the top hit.)

Taking a cursory look over the Persephone article, it looks pretty decent (although the intro section could be cleaned up some), and contains a pretty good references section and bibliography, which is where one should start looking after reading the article.

Since it hasn't already been suggested, I also recommend checking out the Theoi.com article on Persephone as well, which is chockful of ancient references to her.

Good luck! Smiley
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« Reply #14: January 26, 2011, 01:30:55 pm »

Here is a link to a poem about Persephone by Dianne Sylvan which I absolutely love. It puts a whole different point of view into play.....

http://diannesylvan.com/?page_id=107

I'm reminded of this song.

http://loveblender.com/2000august/heart/demdaught.html
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