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« Topic Start: January 19, 2011, 01:50:59 pm »

So I have been a follower of the Norse Gods for a few years now and one of the things I came across where it seemed that people could be reborn. Im not sure of the exact place I read it but it had to do with Hel and that when people would go there they would wait to be reborn. Has anyone else heard of this? Or is this false?
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« Reply #1: January 21, 2011, 07:32:03 am »

So I have been a follower of the Norse Gods for a few years now and one of the things I came across where it seemed that people could be reborn. Im not sure of the exact place I read it but it had to do with Hel and that when people would go there they would wait to be reborn. Has anyone else heard of this? Or is this false?

Hello there.

Here´s a well researched article by Bill Linzie, check it out: http://www.angelfire.com/nm/seidhman/reincarnation2.pdf
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« Reply #2: January 21, 2011, 02:22:07 pm »

Hello there.

Here´s a well researched article by Bill Linzie, check it out: http://www.angelfire.com/nm/seidhman/reincarnation2.pdf

That's a very interesting article. I have done some research about it but mostly I came across some readings that said that people can also become Gods although I don't know how accurate that was.
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« Reply #3: January 27, 2011, 08:53:37 am »

That's a very interesting article. I have done some research about it but mostly I came across some readings that said that people can also become Gods although I don't know how accurate that was.

Sounds like someone either misunderstood the tearm euhemerism, or falvoured his Asatru with hinduistic ideas...
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« Reply #4: January 27, 2011, 04:40:42 pm »

So I have been a follower of the Norse Gods for a few years now and one of the things I came across where it seemed that people could be reborn. Im not sure of the exact place I read it but it had to do with Hel and that when people would go there they would wait to be reborn. Has anyone else heard of this? Or is this false?

I have heard that we are reborn through our ancestral lineage via our personal wyrd and communal orlog.  And I would interpret ancestral lineage to be not only blood, but marriage (which was a union of families rather than just individuals) and adoption as well.   I don't think this would be limited to just Hel as there are many places the dead can go such as to specific Gods' Halls. 

The place where I have read most about being reborn through our ancestral lineage is in a book primarily about Frigga and Her Handmaidens by Alice Karlsdottir called Magic of the Norse Goddesses.
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« Reply #5: January 28, 2011, 05:23:12 am »

I have heard that we are reborn through our ancestral lineage via our personal wyrd and communal orlog.  And I would interpret ancestral lineage to be not only blood, but marriage (which was a union of families rather than just individuals) and adoption as well.   I don't think this would be limited to just Hel as there are many places the dead can go such as to specific Gods' Halls. 

The place where I have read most about being reborn through our ancestral lineage is in a book primarily about Frigga and Her Handmaidens by Alice Karlsdottir called Magic of the Norse Goddesses.

From what I have heard about Alice Karlsdottir she should be a bright woman, however, I have not heard much good about her book while amongst recons... Does she state her sources in her book?

From what I have picked up on AL and from various literature, they were not literally reborn, but the luck or hamingja one adds to the line of one´s ćt lived on in future generations.
This especially applies to names; if I call my son Leif after my dead uncle or Kaj after my grandfather, the luck associated with these names will thrive and grow with my son - IOW, it´ll remain within the line of my family.

Pretty sure Davidson dedicated a chapter to both Hamingja and "rebirth" in her work "The Road to Hel" (note how the importance of naming is emphasized in most of her examples).
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« Reply #6: January 28, 2011, 10:21:15 am »

Pretty sure Davidson dedicated a chapter to both Hamingja and "rebirth" in her work "The Road to Hel" (note how the importance of naming is emphasized in most of her examples).

Culture of the Teutons by Vilhelm Gronbech also has some interesting information on this. Not so much "rebirth" in a literal sense, but continuation of the luck and honour of an ancestor through subsequent generations. For example "Honour has the reality of life, or soul, and therefore the bitterness of death is removed by a hope of resurrection in fame".

Taking the name of a past ancestor was therefore thought to connect you to that ancestor. While that ancestor would impart luck and honour, and “live” through the person who took their name, it does not mean they were literarily one and the same person. I’m not aware of anything which would suggest “reincarnation” as a heathen belief in the sense that the term is most commonly understood?

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« Reply #7: January 28, 2011, 12:36:51 pm »

From what I have heard about Alice Karlsdottir she should be a bright woman, however, I have not heard much good about her book while amongst recons... Does she state her sources in her book?

From what I have picked up on AL and from various literature, they were not literally reborn, but the luck or hamingja one adds to the line of one´s ćt lived on in future generations.
This especially applies to names; if I call my son Leif after my dead uncle or Kaj after my grandfather, the luck associated with these names will thrive and grow with my son - IOW, it´ll remain within the line of my family.

Pretty sure Davidson dedicated a chapter to both Hamingja and "rebirth" in her work "The Road to Hel" (note how the importance of naming is emphasized in most of her examples).


Yes, she does cite many of her sources in her book, but some she cites in the text and others she cites in the endnotes.  I do think she could have cited more though. Her book is more for people who want to know what we know from the lore and learn from UPG.  There is also tranceworking in her book which some may not agree with.  This book helped me develop a relationship with Frigga and conceptualize Her as a goddess rather than a mysterious figure with little about Her in the lore and I think its very useful in that regard.  May not be the best book for some recons. 

And you are correct.  I looked through her book and couldn't find a reference to literally being reborn through the family line.  I don't know where I have heard that from. 
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« Reply #8: January 28, 2011, 01:14:28 pm »

So I have been a follower of the Norse Gods for a few years now and one of the things I came across where it seemed that people could be reborn. Im not sure of the exact place I read it but it had to do with Hel and that when people would go there they would wait to be reborn. Has anyone else heard of this? Or is this false?


It has occassionally happened with some of the heroes, but I don't think it's a relevant belief in heathenism. It seems to contradict the nature and mechanics of wyrd, and it's how we interact with wyrd in this life that's more important- rather than the possibility of getting a 'do-over'.

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