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Author Topic: Pagan? Then you'd better keep an exorcist on speed dial  (Read 13588 times)
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« Reply #15: January 21, 2011, 11:08:19 pm »

Actually, Transcendental Meditation has been on the fundie watch-list since the 70's, IIRC.

Is it because they're jealous?
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« Reply #16: January 21, 2011, 11:39:12 pm »


Is it because they're jealous?

Actually, I think it does make a weird kind of sense.  If you believe that it's possible to "open" yourself to the universe, and you believe in demonic forces that envy and/or loathe your humanity, it does make a kind of sense to think that demons would try to possess you if you gave them the opportunity.  That's why they're freaked out about divination, as well.
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« Reply #17: January 22, 2011, 05:43:48 am »


Wow, that quote about the sexual abuse relation really offends me.    Angry

It reminds me of when I was younger, when I actually did worry about being hurt and persecuted by demons. That was years before I had the flash backs of being sexually abused as a child.
Not being sexually abused, but I didn't like that either. Sounds like victim paternalism to me. 'Oh those poor abused people, they are so wounded that they are really in danger of inviting the wrong forces in, you can't let them go off to Buddhist camps...they don't know what's good and bad for them...they need my Catholic expert help...'

And what about the Catholic priests who abused people? Did they invite the wrong forces in? Must have been some mistake...

Not that teaching people they were sinful might have anything to do with some people believing to be possessed or stained by evil forces...

There's a funny text passage in one of Terry Pratchett's book about an Omnian priest trying to exorcise his own spirit, because it is oh-so-evil.

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« Reply #18: January 22, 2011, 10:40:50 am »

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Sometimes people ask, "Why now?" And I say, because now there are more Catholics who are involved in paganism and idolatry, so there are a lot of people who are opening a lot of doors to the diabolical.

Let's be honest, weren't Catholics always involved with paganism and idolatry?  Tongue
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« Reply #19: January 22, 2011, 11:52:09 am »



Let's be honest, weren't Catholics always involved with paganism and idolatry?  Tongue

Hee, hee, hee.
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« Reply #20: January 22, 2011, 01:54:19 pm »

Let's be honest, weren't Catholics always involved with paganism and idolatry?  Tongue
Cheesy That's the protestant version...
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« Reply #21: January 22, 2011, 07:21:44 pm »

Cheesy That's the protestant version...

It surely was, according to my late mother. WOW was it ever. ::shaking head::
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« Reply #22: January 24, 2011, 01:05:22 pm »

The new Anthony Hopkins horror movie The Rite opens soon (I'm salivating, as I love that kind of flick), and in anticipation, the real-life exorcist on whom the film is based was interviewed.


Part 2 of the interview is out. No surprises, really:

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Father Thomas: I think people should know if there are any effects from being involved in these things, and they should know why. They are tapping into these kinds of activities and if they do not know, they are really running a risk of opening themselves up [to possible demonic influence or demonic possession].

For example, people who get involved with psychics, or tarot cards, Ouija boards, crystals, Wicca, or even yoga. My mother does yoga, but she does it for exercise. There is a difference between that kind of use of yoga, and the practice of it where it is giving you a certain kind of power to influence other people. Supposedly you can use yoga for a variety of different reasons.

Read it for yourself, or not, at http://www.zenit.org/article-31525?l=english

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« Reply #23: January 24, 2011, 05:22:34 pm »

Read it for yourself, or not, at http://www.zenit.org/article-31525?l=english

Sigh. This guy really makes the worst excesses like like normal activities for "pagans".
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« Reply #24: January 24, 2011, 07:03:45 pm »

(The interview can be found at http://www.zenit.org/article-31515?l=english)

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Father Thomas: The ministry is essential.

It is not because we are having so many cases of demonic possession. What we are seeing -- speaking from my experience -- is that we are all, not just the exorcists, but priests in general, having a lot more people coming to us about matters that are of this realm. Many of the issues people are coming with are actually not demonic; they are more related to mental health.

Sometimes people ask, "Why now?" And I say, because now there are more Catholics who are involved in paganism and idolatry, so there are a lot of people who are opening a lot of doors to the diabolical.

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1. I would argue that the vast majority of "demonic possessions" have been mental health issues, if not all of them.  The term "inner demon" comes to mind.

2. How the heck does paganism = mental health issues?  Just because you don't understand or don't subscribe doesn't make it evil.

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« Reply #25: January 24, 2011, 07:27:33 pm »

My first thoughts on this were:  Wow, it's sad that this wackjob is dissing my religion.

My second thoughts surprised me:  Wow, it's sad that the only representative the Church has of a real exorcist is a wackjob.  There's some scary shit in the 'verse that we don't understand.  What if exorcisms are sometimes necessary, and Catholics who need them have nowhere to go except for a priest who will just blame the victim?

Just random thoughts from a random ex-Catholic. 
And, having just seen The Last Exorcism, I mourn for the people's loss of those that really know what to do. 

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« Reply #26: January 24, 2011, 10:56:57 pm »

2. How the heck does paganism = mental health issues?  Just because you don't understand or don't subscribe doesn't make it evil.
Oh, didn't you know? We're all mentally and emotionally fucked up from horrific childhoods. That's the only reason we find an alternate spirituality.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #27: January 24, 2011, 11:26:34 pm »

Oh, didn't you know? We're all mentally and emotionally fucked up from horrific childhoods. That's the only reason we find an alternate spirituality.  Roll Eyes

Nope. My mental and emotional fuckery is mostly genetic. :p
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« Reply #28: January 25, 2011, 02:26:15 am »


I knew that Wicca, crystals and everything else would be in there, but Yoga?

Personally, I think this next part is absolutely nonsensical:-

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But there would be things leading up to that; for example, these people could have an obsessive amount of thoughts or ideas of the Satanic, or feel a tremendous amount of depression in their lives, usually due to tapping into the spirit world. Those would be signs.

What is an obsessive amount, exactly? And how does depression fit it? If depression means that I'm possessed, then so are about 50% of the people on this planet!
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« Reply #29: January 25, 2011, 03:51:02 am »

With the opening of doorways to the New Age and the occult, you do not know what is behind that door; you do not know what you are tapping into most of the time.

Because only the Catholic church knows whats there, and you obviously you don't, you poor, young, deluded soul. Come back to the bosom of the Mother Church and be educated, not play in the mud or you'll get hurt, and then whose fault will that be?

Really, thats what he's (the exorcist) saying: ONLY they know what's "beyond" those "doorways", and we cannot POSSIBLY know because we're.. gods I don't know, any number of things, from non-Catholic, to too young, to whatever sort of factor you can twist to degrade and undermine someone.

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