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« Topic Start: January 28, 2011, 11:02:54 am »

ok maybe it's missing the point or asking too much,but every person I know who ascribes to any form of chaos practises has never given me a straight answer as to what it is,is about relative to other practices. I am interested in it and to learn more but I haven't found boo squat diddly that answered me satisfactorily.

I've been practising what I do for a while now(ten yrs at least) and definition wise it isn't any of these other "paths" but what I've read in your forum posts here leads me to believe,I might find a better fit with what I'm doing in this area of chaos magic etc.

can anyone here entertain an answer for me?
be gentle I'm up way too early and im a newb here. Wink
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« Reply #1: January 28, 2011, 12:16:39 pm »

ok maybe it's missing the point or asking too much,but every person I know who ascribes to any form of chaos practises has never given me a straight answer as to what it is,is about relative to other practices. I am interested in it and to learn more but I haven't found boo squat diddly that answered me satisfactorily.

To be honest, I've never gotten a straight response either. From what I can tell Chaos Magic is simply "what ever works". Chaos Magicians have no trouble asking Greek gods for help, even if they doesn't worship them. A chaos magician has no problem utilizing different pantheons, paths, or techniques. They don't have a path, because their path is, well, chaotic. A chaos magician doesn't care about a set of rules, they just care about achieving their purpose.
Some people I know criticize chaos magic. For example, what is the point of asking Thor, the Norse god of lightning, for help, if you don't even worship him? It's a like a Christian praying to Allah. Or what's the point of using Egyptian symbols if you don't even care about their culture?
One could say that Chaos magician are universalists. I don't know where I stand of the subjects. I guess I practice chaos magic too. A lot people do, they just don't know it.
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« Reply #2: January 28, 2011, 01:50:33 pm »



This is the Chaos Magic primer on our site.  It includes some basic onformation, some history, and a short list of books and websites.  Hopefully it will give you a good idea if this is what you are looking for.

http://www.ecauldron.net/chaosmagicprimer.php


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« Reply #3: January 28, 2011, 04:15:09 pm »

This is the Chaos Magic primer on our site.  It includes some basic onformation, some history, and a short list of books and websites.  Hopefully it will give you a good idea if this is what you are looking for.

http://www.ecauldron.net/chaosmagicprimer.php


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thanks for that.
I think I like the idea of chaos itself rather than whatever this chaosmagick version is,with it's sigils and paradigms. I've things to mull over.
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« Reply #4: January 29, 2011, 02:02:12 pm »

thanks for that.
I think I like the idea of chaos itself rather than whatever this chaosmagick version is,with it's sigils and paradigms. I've things to mull over.

upon further research I think I've figured out what part it is I don't like and why,and what parts of the chaos style I do like.
what was bothering me was the whole calling on any deity to do a spell and achieve what you wanted thing. And not because I've a problem with picking and choosing deities,bu because I tend towards "low magick " as it were and don't feel the need on calling on some deity to help me cast my spell. I do however like the idea of the sigils as a format for sending out my requests,therefor I think I'm going to do like I do with pretty much everything in my life.....take the bits that suit me and add them to my pile of me.
I don't think in doing that esp. with chaos magick,that I'm really going to step on many toes from what I've read.
I do still however like the philosophy and also chaos theory too,which is what originally had me looking into the magical aspects.
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« Reply #5: January 29, 2011, 03:52:14 pm »

upon further research I think I've figured out what part it is I don't like and why,and what parts of the chaos style I do like.
what was bothering me was the whole calling on any deity to do a spell and achieve what you wanted thing. And not because I've a problem with picking and choosing deities,bu because I tend towards "low magick " as it were and don't feel the need on calling on some deity to help me cast my spell. I do however like the idea of the sigils as a format for sending out my requests,therefor I think I'm going to do like I do with pretty much everything in my life.....take the bits that suit me and add them to my pile of me.
I don't think in doing that esp. with chaos magick,that I'm really going to step on many toes from what I've read.
I do still however like the philosophy and also chaos theory too,which is what originally had me looking into the magical aspects.

I havent read the link i admit, however from what i understand of chaos magick gods etc... arent involved a deeply as you might imagine. The central idea is that the sigils involved stimulate the mind of the "caster" which stimulates the unconscious use of energies around the magician. the involvement of deities is simply to aid the caster in getting that frame of mind so while the magician might not believe in those deities particularly they can still involve them.
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« Reply #6: January 29, 2011, 07:00:27 pm »

I havent read the link i admit, however from what i understand of chaos magick gods etc... arent involved a deeply as you might imagine. The central idea is that the sigils involved stimulate the mind of the "caster" which stimulates the unconscious use of energies around the magician. the involvement of deities is simply to aid the caster in getting that frame of mind so while the magician might not believe in those deities particularly they can still involve them.

it was in the area of the paradigm,where some espouse the idea of making a point of purposely changing your beliefs ( believing utterly and completely in something even if it's only temporary and seems like your faking it) on a regular basis as part of keeping with the nothing is true etc. ideas of chaoist stuff.
there is the god form part of things that is when they make use of any applicable deity to get some work done,but in the area of making use of deities I've got the ones I like and I do tend to place some amount of effort in keeping them happy,but it's cuz I like them and want to,not so much just making use of them for the means to an end type thing.
like I said I don't tend to have a need to call on a deity to get a spell done,so magically speaking that part of the chaos way doesn't appeal.
but the philosophy for energy working and spell working I do like a lot.
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« Reply #7: February 01, 2011, 08:41:41 pm »



Hey SpoOk,

You might enjoy the Principia Discordia.

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In 1958 or 1959 (we’re not sure which), Eris, the Goddess of Confusion, sent an Emperor Penguin to a bowling alley in California. It appeared before Malaclypse the Younger and Lord Omar Khayyam Ravenhurst and inspired them to create the Discordian Society: a tribe of philosophers, theologians, magicians, scientists, artists, clowns, and similar maniacs.
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« Reply #8: February 02, 2011, 03:00:36 am »


Hey SpoOk,

You might enjoy the Principia Discordia.

oh I know all about that;)
one yr on a Friday the 23rd I brought a package of hotdog weiners to work and handed them out to everyone.
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« Reply #9: February 02, 2011, 10:13:12 am »

oh I know all about that;)
one yr on a Friday the 23rd I brought a package of hotdog weiners to work and handed them out to everyone.
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*snort* Awesome.  Grin
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