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Question: Should we drug test those getting unemplyment benefits?
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Yes, but only if they ask for an extension past the 26 weeks. - 2 (4.5%)
No, never. - 36 (81.8%)
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« Reply #150: June 03, 2011, 09:21:11 pm »

Is not my point.

If one privilege is only for take drug test, why not drug test for other privilege?  Unless only drug test for privilege for poor peoples.  Because everyone know poor peoples is all criminals, yes?

Unemployment is not a privilege, they take money out of my paycheck for it. If you have not paid into it, you cannot collect it.  
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« Reply #151: June 03, 2011, 09:21:40 pm »

There are rules for unemployment insurance.  You cannot be fired for cause, you have to be let go for other reasons.  You cannot quit your job yourself.  You have to have worked so many hours a week for so many weeks before you qualify.  The company can contest your receiving of unemployment insurance, but if you can make the case that they shouldn't have fired you for cause, you can still get it.  You have to search for work while receiving it.  It's your right under law to receive it if you match the requirements.  But it's not in the constitution, it's part of federal and state law.

This is true.  Is also rules for murder.  Is self defense, is keep freedom.  Is not, is go to jail.  A judge is deciding this, yes?  Is not one bureaucrat behind desk, is judge who is elect or appoint, is swear oath, is done for rule of law.

United States Constitution is put life, liberty, and property the same.  If rule is apply to murder case, is apply to property case.  If this is no the case, is a privilege, such as habeas corpus or driver license.
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« Reply #152: June 03, 2011, 09:23:02 pm »

Unemployment is not a privilege, they take money out of my paycheck for it. If you have not paid into it, you cannot collect it.  

They are also take money from you paycheck for no-bid contract.  Do you have right to Halliburton or KB&R stock?
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« Reply #153: June 03, 2011, 09:26:25 pm »

They are also take money from you paycheck for no-bid contract.  Do you have right to Halliburton or KB&R stock?

Yes, I just have to buy them. 
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« Reply #154: June 03, 2011, 09:28:04 pm »

Denial of unemployment insurance is not a criminal matter, hence not covered under the 6th Amendment.

UI is denied by due process of law. That does not mean a jury trial is required. It means that a process is in place for a series of appeals of the administrative process. The final step would be the US Supreme Court, but getting to that level is does not require a jury trial at any point.


If is property, a jury is required.  Also,

Quote from: United States Constitution
Amendment 7
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty
dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved,
and no fact tried by a
jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than
according to the rules of the common law.

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« Reply #155: June 03, 2011, 09:28:26 pm »

Yes, I just have to buy them. 

They are require to sell to you?
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« Reply #156: June 03, 2011, 09:31:35 pm »

If is property, a jury is required.  Also,



UI is not a suit at common law.  It is an insurance set up by the government that if you qualify under the rules as it is set up, you will receive it, you can appeal a negative decision. 
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« Reply #157: June 03, 2011, 09:33:06 pm »

UI is not a suit at common law.  It is an insurance set up by the government that if you qualify under the rules as it is set up, you will receive it, you can appeal a negative decision. 

And the appeal is NOT done in court but through a state process - completely separate from the federal government. 
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« Reply #158: June 03, 2011, 09:33:29 pm »

They are require to sell to you?

If they are on the market I can buy them.  
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« Reply #159: June 03, 2011, 09:36:32 pm »

Is not my point.

If one privilege is only for take drug test, why not drug test for other privilege?  Unless only drug test for privilege for poor peoples.  Because everyone know poor peoples is all criminals, yes?

slightly off topic question.

HOw does unemployment insurance work in Andorra? 
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« Reply #160: June 03, 2011, 09:36:42 pm »

UI is not a suit at common law.  It is an insurance set up by the government that if you qualify under the rules as it is set up, you will receive it, you can appeal a negative decision. 

Is judge make decision for appeal?  Uday is new for constitution is maybe not understanding.  Uday is see 2 kind of law:  Criminal and civil.  If is criminal, judge must decide.  If is civil and is more than $20, judge must decide.

Please correct if Uday is make mistake.  This is very important for your friend Uday, for Uday is liking to be citizen one day and is hearing that the United States Constitution test is not so much easy.  In Salizor, these thing is very simple, but not so good, yes?  Sheik is decide, and peoples is live with decision no matter what.  Or not live with decision, if Sheik is saying so.
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« Reply #161: June 03, 2011, 09:38:29 pm »

slightly off topic question.

HOw does unemployment insurance work in Andorra? 

I am not so sure, as your friend Uday is only refugee in Andorra before coming to America.  I am only stay in Andorra for 1 year, and money is not one of my problem.
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« Reply #162: June 03, 2011, 09:39:19 pm »

If they are on the market I can buy them.  

If they are not on market, you cannot buy them?  If not, then you money is take for these corporation, and you are not having a right for them.
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« Reply #163: June 03, 2011, 09:41:51 pm »

If they are not on market, you cannot buy them?  If not, then you money is take for these corporation, and you are not having a right for them.

Not everything is a right, or privilege.
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« Reply #164: June 03, 2011, 09:41:59 pm »

If they are not on market, you cannot buy them?  If not, then you money is take for these corporation, and you are not having a right for them.

Your friend Uday must respectful leave for now, but I would very much like to continuing later.  I am leaving for playing pokers with Mad Frank and his friends, and drinking bourbon.

If for only this, for you Friday night, your friend Uday love this country.
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